‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

TurtleDude · Oct 10, 2014

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Unrepresented said:
I agree that lawmakers should outlaw "right to work" laws that weaken worker strength and encourage freeloaders.

we ought to get rid of most things that encourage freeloaders. but that would be the end of unions and the Democrat party. right to work laws are great. people should have the freedom to contract.

Meister · Oct 10, 2014

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ludin said:
harassment in the work place is being broken.

True, lud. I miss stated my thoughts.

Linc · Oct 10, 2014

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Let's go back to the pre-TR days when 9-YO were working in mines and had missing fingers and toes.

I'm sure all you anti-Union folks would gladly give up yer weekends to work for the same or less pay in 7 days as you do in five now.

Or could it be who the Unions donate to politically--ignoring corporations of course .

Meister · Oct 10, 2014

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NIMBY said:
Let's go back to the pre-TR days when 9-YO were working in mines and had missing fingers and toes.

I'm sure all you anti-Union folks would gladly give up yer weekends to work for the same or less pay in 7 days as you do in five now.

Or could it be who the Unions donate to politically--ignoring corporations of course .

Ummmmm, it's 2014....let's stay with that

ludin · Oct 10, 2014

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Meister said:
True, lud. I miss stated my thoughts.

what i think is funny is that some of these people think that there is nothing wrong going on.
when it is the exactly opposite.

it is against the law for unions to try and force or harass people to join.
in the exact opposite it is better for workers to not join.

the company has no reason to pay them less because then they would join the union, however it gets even better as if the union decides to strike they are under no obligation to stop working. so while unions workers are making their 50 buck strike pay a week non-unions are still working full time making full pay.

justabubba · Oct 10, 2014

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TurtleDude said:
yes they often do. but I note, at least at the USPS (which I am an expert on their labor relations) the stewards got paid by the USPS and some of their paid time was their union duties. Dues were not paying for this representation

such expertise
while the stewards were likely performing some union activities on official time
there were likely other costs which were borne by the union/dues paying members
assistance from union administrative staff, such as union lawyers, is paid from the dues of the union's members
if the issue was to be decided by an arbitrator, the management-labor contract likely provided for the union to incur one-half of the arbitrator's expenses
the training (and travel to attend said training) received by the stewards and other union officials, so that they are able to competently represent the bargaining unit members, is paid by the union and/or the union officers themselves
despite your pretense at possessing expertise in these matters, the reality is the union absorbs a substantial portion of the expense of representing bargaining unit employees. which expense is paid for by the dues of the bargaining unit members
it needs to be made known that bargaining unit employees who chose to be free riders, and not dues paying members, must also receive the costly union representation that the dues paying members receive from the union. the law requires it
one would think a former attorney, who holds himself out as an 'expert', would know that

Mason66 · Oct 10, 2014

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Wiggen said:
Do you know what costs union workers their jobs? Non-union workers who will work for less money in unsafe working conditions, in order to fuel those nice big bonuses management awards to itself on a regular basis.

Please point out a case where this is happening.

Who is wokring in unsafe working conditions.

Do you know what decade you are living in right now?

Mason66 · Oct 10, 2014

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Wiggen said:
And another member of the Far Right checks in with his opinion. Can you guys just get together and select one spokesman? You are all parroting the same junk from the same anti-union sources.

Is anybody that answers you on the far right?

You seem to think so.

Mason66 · Oct 10, 2014

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Wiggen said:
And another member of the Far Right checks in with his opinion. Can you guys just get together and select one spokesman? You are all parroting the same junk from the same anti-union sources.

By the way, how much more do you really make after paying off the union?

Mason66 · Oct 10, 2014

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cpwill said:
We were discussing the much ballyhoo'd "scabs". Not all posts relate directly rather than indirectly to an OP.

Not really. We were discussing people working but not paying union fees, but somebody early on called them scabs, although I don't know why.

TurtleDude · Oct 10, 2014

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justabubba said:
such expertise
while the stewards were likely performing some union activities on official time
there were likely other costs which were borne by the union/dues paying members
assistance from union administrative staff, such as union lawyers, is paid from the dues of the union's members
if the issue was to be decided by an arbitrator, the management-labor contract likely provided for the union to incur one-half of the arbitrator's expenses
the training (and travel to attend said training) received by the stewards and other union officials, so that they are able to competently represent the bargaining unit members, is paid by the union and/or the union officers themselves
despite your pretense at possessing expertise in these matters, the reality is the union absorbs a substantial portion of the expense of representing bargaining unit employees. which expense is paid for by the dues of the bargaining unit members
it needs to be made known that bargaining unit employees who chose to be free riders, and not dues paying members, must also receive the costly union representation that the dues paying members receive from the union. the law requires it
one would think a former attorney with your level of 'expertise' would know that

the only times I EVER met a Union lawyer was on a 301 case where a member of the craft was suing both the agency and his union for a failure to represent. I loved it when that happened because the Union attorneys would absolutely fillet the plaintiff. I remember a case where a steward whined about a foreman not writing someone for a violation (the same foreman had written the steward up for that violation earlier that week) and the steward then pissed off the supervisor who fired him. the fired steward claimed the union didn't force the arbitrator to rule in a timely fashion

the union attorney ripped this guy apart at a deposition, I just sat back and tried to not laugh. I won summary judgment and then crushed the plaintiff's attorney in front of the court of appeals. all due to the work the union attorney did

EVERY SINGLE case where the Union attorneys were involved were this type of case and every single one of them was thrown out by the court prior to trial.

I give the APWU, NALC etc credit-their national organizations had some really top lawyers. and I had a great working relationship with the locals presidents.

Oh BTW I don't have a problem with those non members who utilize union services paying for them. that is different than being a full dues paying member

Mason66 · Oct 10, 2014

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Wiggen said:
But you didn't mind enjoying the working conditions and the wages that the union had achieved for you, did you?

Can you prove the union had anything to do with the wages he was paid or for the safety of his work environment?

OSHA takes care of safety these days, so the union has nothing to do with that anymore.

Mason66 · Oct 10, 2014

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Unrepresented said:
Unions are voluntary.

A) You don't have to work in a shop that's under union contract. That's voluntary.

B) If you do work in a union shop, it's still voluntary as to whether you have to join. Even in non "right to work" states.

Myths And Facts About "Right-To-Work" Laws | Research | Media Matters for America

C) If you've voluntarily chosen to work in a union shop and voluntarily decided not to join the union, the union is still obligated to represent you which costs money. You should be obligated to pay some of that cost.

I can agree with that. If an employee costs the union money, the employee should pay his way, but please show me how the employee can cost the union money.

Mason66 · Oct 10, 2014

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Karl said:
Yes and no. You do not have to join a union, and you do not have to take their job. Those two conditions go hand-in-hand.

There are plenty -- a vast majority, in fact -- of non-union jobs.

Now if you take a union job without paying the union (as typically all other union members do pay), that is technically theft. I'd be interested to hear your argument how theft is voluntary, at least to the victim.

What do you mean take their job?

Since when does the union have jobs?

Mason66 · Oct 10, 2014

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Karl said:
I'm going to dismiss that as an intellectually dishonest question, to which you already know the answer. I would expect that from some others here, but I think you can do better.

Try and answer. it will do you good.

Mason66 · Oct 10, 2014

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Karl said:
Wrong answer. I think I provided someone else with an explanation above (yeah, see #292).

Years ago (may still be true today), in some industries -- like construction -- the employer simply calls the union and tells them how many and what type workers they need. The union supplies the bodies (so to speak ).

You can try to explain it all you want, but the union does not own any jobs.

cpwill · Oct 10, 2014

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Mason66 said:
What do you mean take their job?

Since when does the union have jobs?

They hire non-union labor to protest for them (they don't want to pay for the more expensive variety)...

Fiddytree · Oct 11, 2014

‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Mason66 said:
Try and answer. it will do you good.

Come on now. I was totally being a dick. It's totally obvious that the union is the employer and I'd be a total bastard for *not* being in a union.

RedAkston · Oct 11, 2014

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Hard Truth said:
Employers have fired, blacklisted, beaten and killed many workers who stood up for themselves. There is nothing cowardly or wrong with working with others to achieve a goal, that is why we have governments, organizations and armies. Businesses have their own organizations and work together on their mutual goals all the time.

When was this? 1895?

GBFAN · Oct 11, 2014

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Karl said:
Construction works different. Or at leased used to. Company calls for two carpenters and one pipefitter, union sends over two carpenters and one pipefitter. Some of this was day work, some of it was until the job (contract) was finished -- weeks or months. Maybe years. Called a job hall, or something similar (edit: hiring hall). Wasn't only construction.

Must be different where you are ... here, in Colorado, I work with the local unions trying to place veterans. All of the trade unions (plumbers, carpenters, etc.) work as I described ... right now, they send potential employees to builder, but he selects who he wants ... there is a discussion going on about the union paying some portion of the training costs, but that hasn't been decided yet ... maybe there was a suit filed, or a law written, that made it different here.

Grim17 · Oct 11, 2014

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jet57 said:
Well, there's no personal infomration, just their neams and department numbers; SCAB LIST So it looks like Fox News is lying again.

Frankly, I think those people should be shamed.

Nice of you NOT to read the story and simply say Fox is lying... how very... ummm... progressive of you.

Fox News Aricle said:
UAW Local 31 dedicates an entire page of its website to listing the names and work stations of employees who have opted to exercise their rights not to be in the union. UAW Local 31 lists nearly 30 workers at the Fairfax, Kansas GM plant who are not in the union. The “Scab List” is published under the union website’s “Important Information” section.

apdst · Oct 11, 2014

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jet57 said:
I haven't the slightest idea what your trying to say.

Of course! :lamo

ChezC3 · Oct 11, 2014

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I find the Right To Work For Less crowd's outrage on this topic to be more than a little disingenuous, to say the least...

fmw · Oct 11, 2014

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Unrepresented said:
I'm tolerant of this. Scabs should be treated with the contempt they deserve.

Join or face the consequences. Sounds a little like what ISIS does to non believers.

sangha · Oct 11, 2014

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RedAkston said:
When was this? 1895?

Try 1988 - Delores Huerta (UFW)

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