OldWorldOrder
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When the term is something as complex as racism? Sure. It also goes for any of the other "isms". You're not engaging in feminism by being nice to women. You're not engaging in nazism simply because you hate Jews. You're not engaging in Fordism simply by driving a Ford. Again, complex term, analysis which requires more than childish tantrums and dictionary definitions.
I mean, I'm not restricting definitions, you are. You're saying the #1 and #3 definitions don't count without #2. If that were the case, #2 would be the only one. But it's not.
rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Why are you restricting definitions?
The left gives blacks a pass for this sort of behavior for two reasons 1) They are afraid of black people and don't want to make them angry. 2) They have built up victimhood fence around blacks to buy their political loyalty that they don't want to shatter it. It would, of course, be in the overall best interest of blacks for to have this sort of behavior stigmatized, but the left really isn't interested in improving the lot of blacks in this country.
I view it through economic/ideological/cultural/political glasses. Racialists do not have power within a society on any of those levels. Racists do. Again, even the dictionary admits that for racism to exist, it carries several complex layers with power being the second determining factor after race itself.
Yes, but that is how liberals view it. Take it up with them.
So you're saying that it's subjective. Fine. Then don't argue with people about it when they disagree. And if you say it's not subjective, then you need to adhere to the actual definition.
You're the one who cannot read definitions. You can spam them pretty well, but you sure as hell can't read them.
The problem here, Hatuey, is twofold. For starters, relying on macro to define micro just doesn't cut it because it does not truly assess who has power and who doesn't. It ASSUMES a person of color has no power even if they do. This assumption that a black CEO, school administrator or politician has no power to implement racist systems simply because other black people don't is fallacious as all get up. These blanket statements that blacks (I/e all blacks) cannot be racist because SOME blacks do not have power or have faced discrimination historically are idiotic.
The second problem has to do with perception, and the way memes are transmitted. This is more subtle, of course, but when an entire system treats one group differently than it does another to the point that one cannot be criticized, then this racialism BECOMES racist by very nature of the intimidating weight of the collective application of these memes. THat is very much a power structure, even if it is less overt than the "whites only" signs of days gone by.
Just hold everybody to the same effing standard if you really want to eliminate racism is what I say.
So you're saying that it's subjective.
Oh really? Then why am I almost the only person on my side? While you sit over there, safely among the idiots.
I'm the one buckin' the system here, not you. You have every moron on this board with you. I stand virtually alone.
Not at all, I'm saying it's extremely objective. Subjective is deciding that events are racist because they fit 1/3rd of your dictionary definition while others which do not fit those simplistic standards are not. If we were to go by new-era dictionary definitions of racism, Neo-Nationalists would not fit the mold of racist and yet a white guy who doesn't like black people would. When we know, in reality, that's not the case at all.
Remember: black people in the 60s weren't angry about being called niggers. They were angry about the social ramifications (i.e. racist policies) of racialist views.
I haven't kicked someone this hard in the teeth in some time.
This is bull****. No one is saying to avoid criticism of black bigots. We (I guess two of us) ARE saying that the difference between bigotry by the majority and minority must be recognized in a sociological discussion.
I'm just telling you that black people can be racist.
That's delusional. You spazzed out and failed to understand even the most basic sociology. Did you graduate high school, how old are you?
And I'm telling you that's uneducated idiocy and it serves white bigots (actual racists, with institutional power).
Childish.
I see. You get all upset when someone accuses you of that. You freak out and spam caps. And then you go and do the same to someone else. Your ignorance is matched only by your hypocrisy.
The problem here, Hatuey, is twofold. For starters, relying on macro to define micro just doesn't cut it because it does not truly assess who has power and who doesn't. It ASSUMES a person of color has no power even if they do. This assumption that a black CEO, school administrator or politician has no power to implement racist systems simply because other black people don't is fallacious as all get up. These blanket statements that blacks (I/e all blacks) cannot be racist because SOME blacks do not have power or have faced discrimination historically are idiotic.
The second problem has to do with perception, and the way memes are transmitted. This is more subtle, of course, but when an entire system treats one group differently than it does another to the point that one cannot be criticized, then this racialism BECOMES racist by very nature of the intimidating weight of the collective application of these memes. THat is very much a power structure, even if it is less overt than the "whites only" signs of days gone by.
Just hold everybody to the same effing standard if you really want to eliminate racism is what I say.
You lie about what people said, ignore definitions you don't like, and claim people are racist. This is wonderful.
YOU'RE A LIAR, ECO
Now, now, NWO. I think it's time you settled down a bit. I understand ignorance can be frustrating, and it must be horrible to consider that you are serving white bigots, but, in time (and presuming you study this), you will come to understand how you were manipulated into denying the horrible truth of slavery, oppression and actual modern day racism against black people. You'll discover that blacks don't have the power to oppress whites in society and you will come to terms with the fact that blacks cannot be racists.
Can't even read definitions.
Do you remember that time you lied about what I said? Remember that time you said I was a white bigot? Remember that time you ignored two definitions of a word in order to promote your viewpoint?
All laid out here in this lovely thread. So ignorant.
Keep serving white bigots, I'm sure they appreciate your service even if they don't pay for it. For them, it's just like the good ol' days.
Keep serving white bigots, I'm sure they appreciate your service even if they don't pay for it. For them, it's just like the good ol' days.
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