‘It was either me or him and I won,’ British retiree says after beating back mugger

[Mr Person]

<> the 30-40 million illegal immigrants, if Harris had won. <>

That alone is enough reason to ignore you stupid bullshit.

 

[Mr Person]

You're assuming I'll never see it coming and have no time to prepare. Situational awareness is what I always taught my martial arts students, and it's what my shooting instructors have drilled into me. The 84 yr old Brit was about as lucky as it was possible to be, even with an unarmed aggressor.

There are upward of 3 million civilian-involved defensive gun usages (DGU) annually. The raw numbers come from the CDC, in a study ordered by President Obama in 2013. It includes FBI data delineating how the vast majority - just shy of 95% - of those encounters are resolved peacefully, with no injuries sustained by either party.

When I was an infant, we took a day trip to the mountains and stopped at one of my parents’ favorite spots. During our stay a couple bikers rolled in. Dad could tell they were trouble and loaded wife & kid into the car. During the load up one of the bikers shouted at dad to “hand over summa that slant eyed pџ$$y!” Loudmouth wheeled his bike about 4 feet off the back bumper and dismounted. He made a beeline for driver’s side window and leaned in to find himself looking down the barrel of a .357. He and his compadre saddled up and rode off.

25 years later I owned a 1965 Plymouth Barracuda. One day I towed it to a building my dad owned where I was going to work on it. As I pulled onto the property, there were a couple guys about my age sharing a crack pipe. I rolled down the window and said, “Hate to tell you guys, but this is private property and you’ll need to clear off.” They snarled and cursed. One of them picked up a piece of rebar and both advanced. I let them see my pistol and told them to simmer down. Both men split.

In both instances: no shots fired, nobody hurt, which is how the vast majority of civilian-involved DGUs are resolved.

You're starting to remind me of @OldFatGuy.

Did you, perhaps, excel at lethal darts? Tall tales getting taller is a tell.

 

[Cosmo]

Same question. Are you going to risk your life over a wallet with maybe $200 in it? I'm not.

Depends on the situation. Besides it's not exactly a good thing to let the violent criminal go to rob again when you're justified in shooting.

The govt robs me of way more than that every pay day, and I don't risk even cheating on my taxes because I don't want to be a criminal, let alone dead.

 

[Rexedgar]

You're starting to remind me of @OldFatGuy.

Did you, perhaps, excel at lethal darts? Tall tales getting taller is a tell.

OFG was entertaining…

 

[Ishm]

Depends on the situation. Besides it's not exactly a good thing to let the violent criminal go to rob again when you're justified in shooting.

If we catch and prosecute a guy for stealing a $200 wallet in a non violent robbery. What is the range of sentencing available? If it doesn't include a death sentence, why is it OK to kill someone over a $200 wallet?

 

[Cosmo]

If we catch and prosecute a guy for stealing a $200 wallet in a non violent robbery. What is the range of sentencing available? If it doesn't include a death sentence, why is it OK to kill someone over a $200 wallet?

The crime being committed to which lethal self-defense is applied does not need to have assigned to it the possibility of the death penalty. Often burglars can be shot upon invading a home even if they were only going to commit rape which does not carry with it the possibility of the death penalty.

 

[InWalkedBud]

You have implied it in everything you have posted in this thread. So it isn’t a straw man. You took the story of an unarmed man fighting back against an unarmed man and made it about guns. The story tells us nothing about the efficacy of carry guns and deterring criminals, but you made it into that.

Nope. You made it about guns by focusing on the mere mention of an option not available to the victim in the OP, nor to the vast majority of his fellow subjects.

 

[InWalkedBud]

You're starting to remind me of @OldFatGuy.

Did you, perhaps, excel at lethal darts? Tall tales getting taller is a tell.

I'm new here, never heard of OFG. I just turned 60, I'll let you to render judgement on how old that makes me, as the self-appointed sanctimonious arbiter of who's who and what's what. Fat, not so much. I've been advised that I bear quite a resemblance to Cesar Milan, if Cesar Milan had slanted eyes.

Thanks for playing!

 

[noonereal]

Back in my badass black belt days, I'd have enjoyed an encounter like that. In the here & now, I'm much more likely to show the choirboy my .357 & politely suggest he find something else to do. If he doesn't take the hint... sucks to be him.

You think this a self agrandizing post.

I think it a laughable MAGA mentality crap post.

 

[devildavid]

Nope. You made it about guns by focusing on the mere mention of an option not available to the victim in the OP, nor to the vast majority of his fellow subjects.

No, your OP introduced the subject of guns when the story was not about carrying guns.

 

[devildavid]

OFG was entertaining…

He was an annoying blowhard.

 

[noonereal]

I don't know if you are "Quick Draw McGraw" or not, but usually the scared, hyped up, nervous criminal with his gun already pointing at you is likely to get a shot off before you have your gun fully out and pointed. The real question is whether it is worth dying just to find out that the criminal wasn't joking when pointing their gun at you.

Not sure why the nutters seem to think a bad guy with a gun is gonna wait till they draw their weapon and shoot the bad guy but they do.

God bless their pointed little heads.

 

[Rexedgar]

He was an annoying blowhard.

Different strokes…….

 

[InWalkedBud]

No, your OP introduced the subject of guns when the story was not about carrying guns.

The story was about fending off an aggressor. You've could've ignored my mention of another option, and weighed in on how the victim used his trousers. You didn't. That strikes me as a you problem.

 

[Integrityrespec]

I don't disagree. My only point is that a kill shot is far from guaranteed.

Oh, that's very true.

I've lived in a bunch of different wealthy countries. Mostly western, with one in Asia. Various different levels of gun control, and a range of gun ownership rates. A couple with relatively high ownership rates, and a few with pretty low rates. In none of them are armed criminals a threat that you ever think about. Last few years I have been living in a western country with quite a high gun ownership rate. I actually own hunting guns here myself. They have licensing and various restriction that barely affect me, but armed criminals are just not a thing that I ever think about because I am more likely to get hit by lightening or eaten by a shark than ever face one. Lightening doesn't stop me walking outside, and sharks don't stop me swimming. Likewise, the incredibly low threat of meeting an armed criminal doesn't stop me going wherever I want, and doing what I want without feeling the need to carry.

The reason for 'disarming' the law abiding is because it is via the 'law-abiding' that the criminals get their guns. They get them via weak purchasing laws and via theft from law-abiding owners. That is why countries with better purchasing checks and tougher ownership laws have so few armed criminals. There is also the issue that US pre purchase checks are so weak that someone can be law-abiding the day they buy their gun, but become a criminal just days later. Having lived under several different gun control sets of rules, the reality is that they mostly focus on the same things, and mostly succeed in keeping criminals unarmed. I personally am much happier knowing than me and mine will very likely never confront an armed criminal, than I am thinking that such a confrontation is very possible, and therefore we should all be carrying guns. Rather live without the fear or dying or having to kill someone. But that's just how I feel. Others obviously feel differently.

You are never going to get the guns in the U.S. taken away. Never, never, never. We have so many in the hands of bad guys and they will never give them up. You will have to pry it out of their cold dead hands.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Same question. Are you going to risk your life over a wallet with maybe $200 in it? I'm not. The govt robs me of way more than that every pay day, and I don't risk even cheating on my taxes because I don't want to be a criminal, let alone dead.

Depends on how I assess the situation. Do they have a weapon, gun, knife, whatever or nothing. What advantage to they have or do I have? Numbers? Just how much risk is there and are they willing to get injured themselves.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I'm glad for the older gentleman that he experienced an example of a piss poor mugging. That could have gone wrong in all sorts of ways if the assailant had been armed and more determined. There's always that moment when you have to think about what you can potentially lose in an altercation, and a part of that is assessing your opponent correctly.

Yeah, but sometimes you just aren't available for that kinda shit.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Yeah, but sometimes you just aren't available for that kinda shit.

Well, now with TikTok being out of commission for a while it might create some availability.

 

[Sven Karma]

UK is under almost complete domination by hard leftist politicians and bureaucrats who clearly despise the native UK population, who are held to a completely different standard than the non-native Muslim population. The Pakistani Muslim population are usually protected from prosecution, even after raping thousands of lower class British girls for many years. It gives us an accurate view of the future of America under the Democratic party. They wanted to give blanket amnesty to the 30-40 million illegal immigrants, if Harris had won.

As with Labour in UK, the Dems clearly despise ("privileged") white Americans. They will start legislating in favor of the 30-40 million illegal immigrants and against everyone else(including black folks). The Dems will create a completely different legal standard for the illegal immigrant community than for long term American citizens.

Apart from voicing an opinion about the UK that is very far from the truth, this post also contradicts your signature statement's desire to 'end divisive nonsense'.

 

[InWalkedBud]

Same question. Are you going to risk your life over a wallet with maybe $200 in it? I'm not. The govt robs me of way more than that every pay day, and I don't risk even cheating on my taxes because I don't want to be a criminal, let alone dead.

If you're willing to bend over and rely on an unsubstantiated belief - or hope - that the aggressor is solely interested in larceny, and there's no chance he's going to kick the shit out of you, more power to you. It's a choice you're entitled to make, and I wish you all the best.

Others among us have chosen not to capitulate, and equipped ourselves accordingly. To the extent that you object to that choice, or find it to be problematic - that, as they say, is a you problem.

 

[Ishm]

If you're willing to bend over and rely on an unsubstantiated belief - or hope - that the aggressor is solely interested in larceny, and there's no chance he's going to kick the shit out of you, more power to you. It's a choice you're entitled to make, and I wish you all the best.

Others among us have chosen not to capitulate, and equipped ourselves accordingly. To the extent that you object to that choice, or find it to be problematic - that, as they say, is a you problem.

We are talking about the case where a criminal already has his gun pointing at you and yours is still on your hip or in your pocket etc. I am not talking about the philosophy of the crime. I am talking about the practical realities of that type of situation. You only need to momentarily scare an already hyped up criminal and they might pull the trigger. Long before 99% of us are going to have our own gun out and fired accurately enough to stop the criminal from firing and potentially killing us.

On the other hand, if the criminal is unarmed and I somehow had the opportunity to kill him, I'm not going to turn his kids into orphans over $200. That's the philosophical part. All he wants is to get your money and get away before being caught. He is very unlikely to waste time trying to attack you once he has what he wants.

We all have our own views on this stuff. Personally, I moved on long ago from wanting to kill someone over minor shit. Living in more sane and safe societies for long enough will do that to you. I am still not against self defence, just against the idea that killing someone should be such an easy thing when only minor offences are involved. You can't help but get the feeling that their are plenty of American gun owners wandering around society hoping for the day that they get to 'show off' their gun skills and kill the 'bad guy'.

 

[ModerationNow!]

That alone is enough reason to ignore you stupid bullshit.

Oh, so it's BS to use simple math in order to determine the REAL number of illegal aliens and Biden-era asylum fraudsters here now? Ok, got it!

Let's see, there were 10+ million new illegal alien asylum fraudsters during the Biden admin(that we know about), combined with the minimum of 20+ million already here, which = 30-40-50 million illegal immigrants living here now.

Now I know the "progressives" now claim that "math is racist" because "its development involved too many white people", and that "2+2 doesn't necessarily equal 4", but I'm using real math!

 

[ModerationNow!]

If you're willing to bend over and rely on an unsubstantiated belief - or hope - that the aggressor is solely interested in larceny, and there's no chance he's going to kick the shit out of you, more power to you. It's a choice you're entitled to make, and I wish you all the best.

Others among us have chosen not to capitulate, and equipped ourselves accordingly. To the extent that you object to that choice, or find it to be problematic - that, as they say, is a you problem.

As a "progressive", I know that it's your DUTY to be able to read the minds of people who randomly assault you on the street! I also know that they are only attacking you to feed their starving families! Besides, you're probably just a "privileged whyte guy anyway", so how dare you potentially injure or kill another saintly George Floyd by defending your family from him/her, zim or zir!

Maybe you should just grin & bare the attack and consider yourself lucky to have helped feed their starving families with the $200 sneakers they bought with your money!

 

[Mr Person]

Let's see, there were 10+ million new illegal alien asylum fraudsters during the Biden admin(that we know about), combined with the minimum of 20+ million already here, which = 30-40-50 million illegal immigrants living here now.

Again, that's stupid bullshit. If the word "bullshit" is confusing to you, you can consider it a stupid ****ing lie. You can consider it pulling numbers out of your ass. You can consider it all sorts of things and none of them are good.

Do you understand the problem now?

Now I know the "progressives" now claim that "math is racist" because "its development involved too many white people", and that "2+2 doesn't necessarily equal 4", but I'm using real math!

omg, and you still managed to out-stupid your earlier remark. Then again, you thought claiming to be independent and calling yourself "ModerationNow!" would dupe people into thinking you are in any way moderate.

 

[PoS]

That alone is enough reason to ignore you stupid bullshit.

Youre upset the mugger didnt succeed. We get it.