‘He’s not getting out’: Calls for Trump to pardon Derek Chauvin slammed by state AG who says former cop ‘still owes Minnesota 22 1/2 years’ (1 Viewer)

[bongsaway]

True.
Floyd was complaining about not being able to breath, which I do believe is one of the symptoms of the drug he abused and was under the influence of.
I don't believe the restraint applied was obstructing his airway.


Calling out some of the questionable statements and assertions made isn't defending anything.
Its just calling out some of the questionable statements and assertions which have been made.

What you probably mean is that it is indefensible to disagree with your conclusions and your demanded narrative, all of which you want to push.

Was he found guilty in a court of law? If so, why are you saying 'my narrative'? My narrative didn't find him guilty, the jurors did.

 

[eohrnberger]

SO, the leaning on the neck till the perp dies has NOTHING to do with either scenario?

If Derek Chauvin had knelt on a dogs neck for 8 minutes, hearing it whimper and feeling it twitch until it finally died, the right would be howling for his head.
But a black man? His own damned fault.

I guess you two can add these to the list of facts you ignore due to ideology:

• A permissible and training supported restraint hold was being used
• This restraint hold did not cut off the air way
• This restraint hold did not cut off the carotid artery blood flow

 

[Airyaman]

Wouldn't a pardon undermine the horse drawn carriage with his golden casket that Pelosi arranged?

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Why are your posts so often lies?

Oh, you're MAGA, nvm.

 

[bomberfox]

I don't think people understand what the presidential pardon is. I also think it has been overused in the last 10 years.

I think we should just remove it and give it to a more deliberative body if necessary.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

I guess you two can add these to the list of facts you ignore due to ideology:

• A permissible and training supported restraint hold was being used
• This restraint hold did not cut off the air way
• This restraint hold did not cut off the carotid artery blood flow

Yet a court of law reviewed the evidence - something you didn't review or were privy to - and a jury found Chauvin guilty.
I suppose in YOUR world, we can forgo trials and jury verdicts and just acquit whoever you want acquitted. Amirite?

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Floyd was under the influence and was medically compromised due to his prior drug use, both of which were factors in his death.
To ignore these factors would simply not be credible.

Sure. Let's make excuses for a criminal ex-cop.

Floyd's criminal history established him as a 'thug', not the racism based remark you just made.

Evidence?

 

[ElChupacabra]

Floyd was under the influence and was medically compromised due to his prior drug use, both of which were factors in his death.
To ignore these factors would simply not be credible.

More or less of a factor than someone with a knee to his neck for 9 minutes?

Floyd's criminal history established him as a 'thug', not the racism based remark you just made.

What on that day warranted a death sentence?

 

[Grand Mal]

I guess you two can add these to the list of facts you ignore due to ideology:

• A permissible and training supported restraint hold was being used
• This restraint hold did not cut off the air way
• This restraint hold did not cut off the carotid artery blood flow

We all saw the video. And Chauvin was convicted. The people who convicted him had access to much more information than you have, and they heard a version of the event from people who are much better than you at twisting and slanting and spinning on behalf of a defendant, so don't pretend that you're setting anything straight here.

 

[OrphanSlug]

You guys trying to relitigate the case, forget it.

Chauvin was found guilty unintentional murder, third-degree murder and manslaughter at the state level. Got over 22 years for it, and this has already run up to the Supreme Court and the appeal of the conviction was rejected. He also plead guilty to federal civil rights charges in this case and another involving a 14 year old.

Floyd being less than an upstanding member of society with a questionable past does not remove a single charge Chauvin is guilty of.

All the bullshit that Chauvin is not responsible for Floyd's death is just that, bullshit.

Get over it already, even a pardon does not remove the State charges therefor Chauvin is going no where. December 2035 at the earliest, good luck changing that.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

• A permissible and training supported restraint hold was being used
• This restraint hold did not cut off the air way
• This restraint hold did not cut off the carotid artery blood flow

Yet a court of law reviewed the evidence - something you didn't review or were privy to

The people who convicted him had access to much more information than you have

Doesn't matter, a black man on drugs died due to "other causes" and Chauvin's knees had nothing to do with it. Clowns on the Right will continue to beat this drum no matter how silly it makes them look.

 

[eohrnberger]

Yet a court of law reviewed the evidence - something you didn't review or were privy to - and a jury found Chauvin guilty.

True. The jury found Chauvin guilty.
My question would be if these points were made during the trial, and they may, or may not have been made.
Regardless of what decision to which the jury arrived, those are still the facts of the matter, as well as other facts not listed.

I suppose in YOUR world, we can forgo trials and jury verdicts and just acquit whoever you want acquitted. Amirite?

Naa.
You confuse my pointing out these facts with your imagination run wild.

 

[eohrnberger]

Sure. Let's make excuses for a criminal ex-cop.

Do point out where I'm making excuses for the cop. Oh, right. I'm not.

This still doesn't eliminate or negate the facts as listed in post #27, and I'm sure you simply hate that this is unavoidable.

Evidence?

Go re-read the threads on the topic in the forums at the time. This isn't the thread for relitigating all that.

 

[eohrnberger]

More or less of a factor than someone with a knee to his neck for 9 minutes?

Given the facts in post #27, there appears to have been no threat to life of someone who wasn't a long time drug addict, someone who wasn't overdosing (I believe that's correct) at the time.

What on that day warranted a death sentence?

I don't believe that this assertion aligns with the facts as they are known.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

True. The jury found Chauvin guilty.

Yup

Do point out where I'm making excuses for the cop. Oh, right. I'm not.

Seriously? Like the rest of us haven't read your responses?

there appears to have been no threat to life of someone who wasn't a long time drug addict

Hmmmmmmmmm, you are gonna keep beating this dead horse, aren't you................

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[ElChupacabra]

Given the facts in post #27, there appears to have been no threat to life of someone who wasn't a long time drug addict, someone who wasn't overdosing (I believe that's correct) at the time.

Interestingly enough though, the cause of death was attributed to the actions of officer Chauvin by the Hennepin County ME's office and the overdose theory did not hold up.

I don't believe that this assertion aligns with the facts as they are known.

Apparently it did to the people who reviewed all of the facts as they are known and had to rule on them.

 

[Safiel]

DEREK MICHAEL CHAUVIN
Register Number: 47849-509
Age: 49
Race: White
Sex: Male
Located at: Big Spring FCI
Release Date: 11/18/2037

He is currently at Big Spring FCI in Texas, a low security institution.

If he gets a Presidential Pardon, that means he goes into the STATE prison system to finish up his State sentence.

Where a lot of the guys he put away are residing.

His chances of completing his sentence in one piece are not good, to say the least.

He should be begging Trump NOT to pardon him.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

He should be begging Trump NOT to pardon him.

yeah, but.................... he isn't guilty of killing a black "thug" who was on drugs. So I've heard.

 

[Tangmo]

This post not worth responding to. Do better.

Just keep the line moving plse thx.

Your posts have nothing to say to my posts.

Maybe someday but not yet -- not by a longshot not.

 

[eohrnberger]

Just keep the line moving plse thx.

Your posts have nothing to say to my posts.

Maybe someday but not yet -- not by a longshot not.

Afflicted with a terminal case of hubris, I see.

 

[CaughtInThe]

If Donald Trump could somehow find a loophole and get him pardoned, which he won't, but if he could then he would solidify himself as the real Jesus Christ to many of our evangelicals.

I mean, he killed a black dude.

 

[Tangmo]

Afflicted with a terminal case of hubris, I see.

Actually it doesn't take much to take down MagaMericans.

Nowhere does it get to the level of "hubris."

To MagaMericans fact and truth are like garlic. Sunshine. These are much more common than "hubris."

 

[eohrnberger]

Actually it doesn't take much to take down MagaMericans.

Nowhere does it get to the level of "hubris."

To MagaMericans fact and truth are like garlic. Sunshine. These are much more common than "hubris."

Don't break you arm patting yourself on the back.