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‘Cursing cheerleader’ free speech

Hate speech is speech the powerful hate.
Hate speech is a made-up term that leftists use in an attempt to silence someone. If they don't like what someone is saying, they will just label it "hate speech" to get government to censor their opposition. That is how it works in socialist sh*thole nations like Canada, the UK, and the rest of Europe that does not recognize an individual's right to free speech, but thankfully does not work that way in the US - much to the chagrin of the anti-American leftist Democratic Party.
 
Hate speech is a made-up term that leftists use in an attempt to silence someone. If they don't like what someone is saying, they will just label it "hate speech" to get government to censor their opposition. That is how it works in socialist sh*thole nations like Canada, the UK, and the rest of Europe that does not recognize an individual's right to free speech, but thankfully does not work that way in the US - much to the chagrin of the anti-American leftist Democratic Party.
Exactly whose speech did the U.S. government censor?
 
Hate speech is a made-up term that leftists use in an attempt to silence someone. If they don't like what someone is saying, they will just label it "hate speech" to get government to censor their opposition. That is how it works in socialist sh*thole nations like Canada, the UK, and the rest of Europe that does not recognize an individual's right to free speech, but thankfully does not work that way in the US - much to the chagrin of the anti-American leftist Democratic Party.
Much in what you say but I think we have all lost sight of the aim and purpose of laws. Laws are made by and for lawyers. Their purpose is the enrichment of lawyers and taking a case all the way to the Supreme Court is like winning the super jackpot. Multi Millions will have swelled the bank accounts of the many lawyers involved and there will be more where the vast sums came from, aka taxpayers - but who cares about them?
 
Much in what you say but I think we have all lost sight of the aim and purpose of laws. Laws are made by and for lawyers. Their purpose is the enrichment of lawyers and taking a case all the way to the Supreme Court is like winning the super jackpot. Multi Millions will have swelled the bank accounts of the many lawyers involved and there will be more where the vast sums came from, aka taxpayers - but who cares about them?
In this case laws are meant for government to abide by as well. The US Constitution limits the power of the government, and when they exceed that power they need to be reigned in by the Supreme Court. Laws do not just apply to citizens, but also the government.

I'm less concerned about the financial cost and more concerned about constraining government to only those powers they were specifically granted by the US Constitution.
 
In this particular case, government censored the cheerleader by punishing her for her posts.
Close. In this particular case the government tried to punish her for her post. We should remember we're here because lower courts ruled in her favor. She was not suspended from cheerleading.
 
Close. In this particular case the government tried to punish her for her post. We should remember we're here because lower courts ruled in her favor. She was not suspended from cheerleading.
Incorrect. She WAS suspended from cheerleading and the lower court corrected that government violation against her.
 
Incorrect. She WAS suspended from cheerleading and the lower court corrected that government violation against her.
Nope. They issued a suspension but the courts blocked it. She was a cheerleader all 4 years.
 
Nope. They issued a suspension but the courts blocked it. She was a cheerleader all 4 years.
The fact that they issued a suspension is what makes it government censorship. It doesn't matter what the court does, the government violated her constitutionally protected rights.
 
"For example, during the 1970s the Court also decided that juveniles did not have three of the procedural rights that adults take for granted: the right to a trial by jury,' the right to bail prior to adjudication,14 and the right to be protected from corporal punishment.' The only additional good news for advocates of children's rights during this period consisted of rulings in two cases that extended the right to privacy in abortion cases to unmarried minor females.'

PART 1

Had it occurred to you that adults equally have their rights diminished in similar or identical settings as those you quoted?

You cite to an article discussing a reduction in the applicability of some right for kids in a specific setting as evidence kids do not have “the same rights as adults.” Of course, your use of the article, specifically what you referenced in your post, presumes adults do not similarly have diminished rights in similar or identical settings as the kids.

Which is another way of saying the examples used need to be parallel to properly assess whether a juvenile has the “same rights” as adults or no rights, or the rights are reduced for the juveniles. This means there is to be an examination of the setting involving kids with reduced rights to a similar or identical setting involving kids.

So, let’s begin with free speech rights of kids in school. It is important to remember schools are a specific kind government property, with a specific function, and it is this contextual setting free speech rights of kids are reduced when in school.

Do adults have a reduced free speech right when on some specific kind of government property and acting in the capacity of a government official? Yes. What about the adults, such as teachers, enaged in speech while at school? The adult teachers’ free speech rights are diminished as well and subject to the Pickering balancing test. In fact, government employees free speech rights are diminished while they are acting in their official capacity of their governmental employment or on government property as part of their employment and subject to the Pickering balancing test.

So, the fact students in school have reduced free speech rights isn’t an example where adults enjoy free speech differently than kids. Adults suffer a reduction in their free speech rights as well when they are government employees and speaking as an employee or on government property as part of their employment.

Sticking with the context of schools, juveniles have a reduced expectation of privacy in school, especially the school lockers and other school property they are allowed to use, as with their personal property and their body. Hence, the requirement to search without a warrant is relaxed and the TLO standard of reasonableness based on the totality of the circumstances.

Adults also have a reduced expectation of privacy in the setting of government property. To gain admission into a government building the court can require of adults to submit to an electronic scan of any bags or containers they have, including wallets, and be asked to empty everything out of their pockets, be subject to a search by a wand, and walk through a metal detector, with no suspicion at all.

In addition, government employees have a reduced expectation of privacy in the desks furnished to them by the government, along with other furnishings, such as file cabinets, laptops, cell phones, briefcases, cars, etcetera. Probable cause isn’t required to search, the search need only be justified as reasonable under the totality of the circumstances and that is the same test for juveniles in school. Some government employees are subjected to not only a reduced expectation in the ways noted above, but some are also subject to no suspicion searches of their personal property they bring to work as part of a contractual agreement or the specific nature of their employment justifies suspicionless searches of the private property they bring to work.

What about drug testing? Schools may require suspicionless drug testing of juveniles who participate in extracurricular activities provided by the school. Adults are also subject to suspicionless drug testing by the government as government employees where their specific employment justifies it, such as carrying a firearm as part of the government job, working as a government employee in illegal drug investigations, etcetera.

So, the snippet of the article you specifically refer to in your post doesn’t present a strong argument for your view kids lack the same rights as adults. Those instances where juveniles have reduced rights, adults do as well in similar contexts.
 
"It would be a mistake, however, to conclude from these pronouncements that the Court, having decided in the late 1960s and the 1970s that children are "persons," determined that children should have the same set of constitutional rights that we ascribe to adults. If the Court did see children as persons, then it surely saw them as peculiar sorts of persons for purposes of constitutional analysis. For example, during the 1970s the Court also decided that juveniles did not have three of the procedural rights that adults take for granted: the right to a trial by jury,' the right to bail prior to adjudication,14 and the right to be protected from corporal punishment.' The only additional good news for advocates of children's rights during this period consisted of rulings in two cases that extended the right to privacy in abortion cases to unmarried minor females.'

"As a general rule, schools cannot bar you from wearing clothing simply because they disapprove of the message that the clothing conveys. However, schools can prohibit you from wearing clothing with “indecent” or other messages that may cause a disruption."

PART 2

I’ll grant you the differing juvenile rights under the 6th amendment.

As for the free speech link in schools at the bottom of the post. So what? The issue here is speech off of school property. The link doesn’t develop any theory or argument of regulating student speech off of school property.

You’ve not made any compelling argument in factory of the school. And your modus operandi of students/kids do not have the “same rights” doesn’t answer the question. It is a nonsequitur to go from the premise of kids do not have the same rights as adults to kids may be punished for lawful, private speech, made off of school property, made while not attending or participating in an sanctioned school event/function, and while not acting in their official cap society as a student officially representing the school.

And, let’s reduce this dialogue to the singular issue, which is, may the school punish a student for lawful speech made off of school property, away from any school sanctioned functions, and while not acting in their official capacity as a student officially representing the school. That’s the issue.
 
Hate speech is a made-up term that leftists use in an attempt to silence someone. If they don't like what someone is saying, they will just label it "hate speech" to get government to censor their opposition. That is how it works in socialist sh*thole nations like Canada, the UK, and the rest of Europe that does not recognize an individual's right to free speech, but thankfully does not work that way in the US - much to the chagrin of the anti-American leftist Democratic Party.

The UK is not socialist.
We currently have a Conservative government and the Conservative party have been in power quite a bit over the last 50 years or so.

Maybe you should find out what Socialism actually is before declaring countries socialist shitholes.
 
The UK is not socialist.
We currently have a Conservative government and the Conservative party have been in power quite a bit over the last 50 years or so.

Maybe you should find out what Socialism actually is before declaring countries socialist shitholes.
The "Conservative" party in the UK is well to the left of our Democratic Party.
 
The "Conservative" party in the UK is well to the left of our Democratic Party.

I agree but that still doesn't make the UK socialist.
 
That certainly is the plaintiff's arguments. Probably will win too. The response and effect, of course, is more destruction. Schools rightly should end all athletics if the school using sports to teach general lessons of acting as a team in a sportsmanlike manner - and the consequences of not doing so - is declared illegal by the Supreme Court.

Learning to function with others in group activity for the goals of the whole group and learning the consequences of not doing so be damn compared to the beloved F-bomb juvenile tantrums.

How many more things can progressive Democrats who hate American culture and values destroy? Athletics overall is extremely high on their list to destroy in general. Overall, such attitudes and court actions have ground our school system and actual educational levels of American students into the dirt.

Oh? So this kids’ free speech right has to suffer because you perceive your outgroup supporting her free speech right and if your outgroup is defending the message, then it surely must be the road to perdition.

And that’s how censorship and loss of freedoms can occur, when freedom and rights are exclusively reserved for our in group, and if an outgroup is in favor of some specific freedom or right, then our in group must be opposed because nothing good comes from the outgroup.

Your use of “sportsmanship” is used for a message you personally dislike or dislike how the message was phrased, perhaps both. Human beings have a proclivity to use neat labels to disapprove of speech they dislike. Some liberals have sought to silence some conservative message by labeling the message as “hate” speech. Others base censorship on the message as “offensive.” It is simple, dislike a message, then slap some label on the message and alleged the message runs afoul the label. For you, the label is “sportsmanship,” for the tyrant the message “disturbs the peace,” for the liberal it is “hate”‘speech.

The slippery slope of schools descending further into the abyss because of a ruling in favor of the girl is not obvious. Neither is it obvious teamwork and life lessons to be learned by group activities is threatened by a ruling in favor of the girl.
 
Oh? So this kids’ free speech right has to suffer because you perceive your outgroup supporting her free speech right and if your outgroup is defending the message, then it surely must be the road to perdition.

And that’s how censorship and loss of freedoms can occur, when freedom and rights are exclusively reserved for our in group, and if an outgroup is in favor of some specific freedom or right, then our in group must be opposed because nothing good comes from the outgroup.

Your use of “sportsmanship” is used for a message you personally dislike or dislike how the message was phrased, perhaps both. Human beings have a proclivity to use neat labels to disapprove of speech they dislike. Some liberals have sought to silence some conservative message by labeling the message as “hate” speech. Others base censorship on the message as “offensive.” It is simple, dislike a message, then slap some label on the message and alleged the message runs afoul the label. For you, the label is “sportsmanship,” for the tyrant the message “disturbs the peace,” for the liberal it is “hate”‘speech.

The slippery slope of schools descending further into the abyss because of a ruling in favor of the girl is not obvious. Neither is it obvious teamwork and life lessons to be learned by group activities is threatened by a ruling in favor of the girl.
Having both stated our position, repeating it back and forth accomplishes nothing. However, do you agree the ruling can have far reaching consequences regardless of what the decision is?

Whether or not someone is picked out of a group of competitors for a promotion or advancement over the others for activities such as cheerleading is now subject to federal court review? It costs the school board $1.1 million if they win and under federal court supervision costing $2.3 million dollars in legal fees if they lose - as students flock online to attack all other aspects of the school, school activities and those participating in those activities - things to read online when in school - seizing phones to learn if it was posted during or after school hours? Just let anyone who wants to be a cheerleader be one and give them all a participant certificate since that's all there could be to be fair.
 
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PART 1

Had it occurred to you that adults equally have their rights diminished in similar or identical settings as those you quoted?

You cite to an article discussing a reduction in the applicability of some right for kids in a specific setting as evidence kids do not have “the same rights as adults.” Of course, your use of the article, specifically what you referenced in your post, presumes adults do not similarly have diminished rights in similar or identical settings as the kids.

Which is another way of saying the examples used need to be parallel to properly assess whether a juvenile has the “same rights” as adults or no rights, or the rights are reduced for the juveniles. This means there is to be an examination of the setting involving kids with reduced rights to a similar or identical setting involving kids.

So, let’s begin with free speech rights of kids in school. It is important to remember schools are a specific kind government property, with a specific function, and it is this contextual setting free speech rights of kids are reduced when in school.

Do adults have a reduced free speech right when on some specific kind of government property and acting in the capacity of a government official? Yes. What about the adults, such as teachers, enaged in speech while at school? The adult teachers’ free speech rights are diminished as well and subject to the Pickering balancing test. In fact, government employees free speech rights are diminished while they are acting in their official capacity of their governmental employment or on government property as part of their employment and subject to the Pickering balancing test.

So, the fact students in school have reduced free speech rights isn’t an example where adults enjoy free speech differently than kids. Adults suffer a reduction in their free speech rights as well when they are government employees and speaking as an employee or on government property as part of their employment.

Sticking with the context of schools, juveniles have a reduced expectation of privacy in school, especially the school lockers and other school property they are allowed to use, as with their personal property and their body. Hence, the requirement to search without a warrant is relaxed and the TLO standard of reasonableness based on the totality of the circumstances.

Adults also have a reduced expectation of privacy in the setting of government property. To gain admission into a government building the court can require of adults to submit to an electronic scan of any bags or containers they have, including wallets, and be asked to empty everything out of their pockets, be subject to a search by a wand, and walk through a metal detector, with no suspicion at all.

In addition, government employees have a reduced expectation of privacy in the desks furnished to them by the government, along with other furnishings, such as file cabinets, laptops, cell phones, briefcases, cars, etcetera. Probable cause isn’t required to search, the search need only be justified as reasonable under the totality of the circumstances and that is the same test for juveniles in school. Some government employees are subjected to not only a reduced expectation in the ways noted above, but some are also subject to no suspicion searches of their personal property they bring to work as part of a contractual agreement or the specific nature of their employment justifies suspicionless searches of the private property they bring to work.

What about drug testing? Schools may require suspicionless drug testing of juveniles who participate in extracurricular activities provided by the school. Adults are also subject to suspicionless drug testing by the government as government employees where their specific employment justifies it, such as carrying a firearm as part of the government job, working as a government employee in illegal drug investigations, etcetera.

So, the snippet of the article you specifically refer to in your post doesn’t present a strong argument for your view kids lack the same rights as adults. Those instances where juveniles have reduced rights, adults do as well in similar contexts.
Perhaps, it seems to me that there is a huge difference in the adult/juvenile examples you use. I think that in each case you talk about the adults you are referring to a workplace issue.
 
PART 2

I’ll grant you the differing juvenile rights under the 6th amendment.

As for the free speech link in schools at the bottom of the post. So what? The issue here is speech off of school property. The link doesn’t develop any theory or argument of regulating student speech off of school property.

You’ve not made any compelling argument in factory of the school. And your modus operandi of students/kids do not have the “same rights” doesn’t answer the question. It is a nonsequitur to go from the premise of kids do not have the same rights as adults to kids may be punished for lawful, private speech, made off of school property, made while not attending or participating in an sanctioned school event/function, and while not acting in their official cap society as a student officially representing the school.

And, let’s reduce this dialogue to the singular issue, which is, may the school punish a student for lawful speech made off of school property, away from any school sanctioned functions, and while not acting in their official capacity as a student officially representing the school. That’s the issue.
If that's the issue, the issue is settled. School administrations may discipline a student for lawful speech off campus while the student is not participating in a school activity.
 
The fact that they issued a suspension is what makes it government censorship. It doesn't matter what the court does, the government violated her constitutionally protected rights.
Of course it matters what the court does. The court is as much a part of the government as the school. The school attempted to punish her but the punishment never happened. A suspension from cheerleading would appear on her academic record. The attempted suspension does not.
 
The UK is not socialist.
We currently have a Conservative government and the Conservative party have been in power quite a bit over the last 50 years or so.

Maybe you should find out what Socialism actually is before declaring countries socialist shitholes.
Don't be silly, of course the UK is socialist. When government controls the means of production, like with your NHS, then the government is 100% socialist. How many other industries are under absolute government control in the UK?
 
Of course it matters what the court does. The court is as much a part of the government as the school. The school attempted to punish her but the punishment never happened. A suspension from cheerleading would appear on her academic record. The attempted suspension does not.
The court merely rectified the violation after-the-fact. The violation still occurred. It would be like pretend crime never happened if the court finds the accused not guilty of the crime. The crime was still committed, regardless of the court's decision.
 
Don't be silly, of course the UK is socialist. When government controls the means of production, like with your NHS, then the government is 100% socialist. How many other industries are under absolute government control in the UK?

You obviously know bugger all about the UK other than we have an NHS.
The Government does not own the means of production.
London is home to some of the worlds largest companies and calling the UK socialist just proves you don't know what socialism is.
 
You obviously know bugger all about the UK other than we have an NHS.
The Government does not own the means of production.
Really? Name a private company in the UK that is allowed to practice medicine and treat patients. You can't because none exist. Your very socialist government has a complete monopoly on all healthcare in the UK. In other words, the UK government owns the means of production.
London is home to some of the worlds largest companies and calling the UK socialist just proves you don't know what socialism is.
So? Lots of companies exist under socialism. Volkswagon was created in 1937 by the very socialist German Labour Front and was owned entirely by the German socialist and fascist government at that time.
 
Really? Name a private company in the UK that is allowed to practice medicine and treat patients. You can't because none exist. Your very socialist government has a complete monopoly on all healthcare in the UK. In other words, the UK government owns the means of production.

So? Lots of companies exist under socialism. Volkswagon was created in 1937 by the very socialist German Labour Front and was owned entirely by the German socialist and fascist government at that time.

Bupa.

There are also private hospitals in London and they do treatment on sportspeople and such.
I've personally used a private dentist for years until an NHS place opened in my area. The dentist still exists and doing well.

Next?
 
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The court merely rectified the violation after-the-fact. The violation still occurred. It would be like pretend crime never happened if the court finds the accused not guilty of the crime. The crime was still committed, regardless of the court's decision.
Your analogy is false.
 
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