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‘China Is the Engine’ Driving Nations Away From Fossil Fuels, Report Says

The demand will eventually reverse the trend in the other direction. It's just a question of when and how severe the consequences will be and how prepared we are to deal with those consequences. I don't think it'll be pretty, but who knows, perhaps global humanity can come together to work this out somehow.
When there are 330 million robots walking around I don't think energy consumption will go down.

Which really isn't the point of this thread. It's that Trump has painted us into an old timey corner when China flies by. Just to pay his buds/shareholders back.

We use to lead. Now we don't even follow. We sit it out.
 
When there are 330 million robots walking around I don't think energy consumption will go down.

Which really isn't the point of this thread. It's that Trump has painted us into an old timey corner when China flies by. Just to pay his buds/shareholders back.

We use to lead. Now we don't even follow. We sit it out.

It may very well be the red states like Texas and Oklahoma that pay the heaviest tolls first. Texas' energy grid has become a lot more reliant on renewables, even if they don't quite realize it yet. In fact a lot of fossil fuel production itself uses renewables, and vice versa of course.
 
While Trump, of course, has tied us to the past simply to pay back his buddies who helped him win an election and stay out of prison.

Good job MAGA vators. You're ruining everything.
China and Russia Vie to Dominate in Energy. Trump Is Handing Them the Win. Barrron's Link

Last week, Beijing also tightened its ties with Moscow by signing a legally binding memorandum to advance the Power of Siberia 2 pipeline, a 50 billion cubic meter project that will redirect Russian gas flows eastward. This should be understood as a political move underscoring Beijing’s leverage. China knows Russia is isolated and under pressure, and that it can extract concessions from Russia for privileged access to strategic resources. With limited options in global markets, Moscow needs Beijing far more than Beijing needs Moscow.

Yet China isn’t choosing hydrocarbons above renewables; it is taking a highly diversified approach to its domestic energy security, turning its manufacturing capacity across emerging energy technologies into strategic leverage.

It has already built and installed the world’s most powerful floating offshore wind turbine. According to BloombergNEF, China will install three out of every four offshore wind turbines in the world this year. China has become a dominant global manufacturer of wind equipment and the largest supplier of solar panels and batteries. Its state-owned firms secure cheap financing, its long-term targets keep developers investing at scale, and its streamlined permitting quickens deployment. The result is a rapid and extensive buildout of renewables capacity, which strengthens energy security at home and competitiveness abroad.

The U.S. possesses the strongest energy landscape in the world: vast oil and gas reserves, world-class renewable potential, deep capital markets, and unmatched potential for technological innovation. Yet instead of leveraging these advantages, Washington is narrowing opportunities for greater energy abundance.

Such actions also reveal a gap in the administration’s understanding of security. Climate security is a critical part of the overall national security. Offshore wind diversifies the energy supply, buffers against turbulent oil costs, and mitigates rising carbon emissions.

To sideline new energy sources at this moment undermines economic security, too. U.S. electricity demand is on the rise, utilities are warning of supply constraints, and households are facing rising utility bills. The reduction in solar and wind installations is already having implications for energy jobs, weakening the employment outlook beyond 2025.

The irony is profound. The U.S. has every advantage: resources, technology, and capital. By politicizing renewables, delaying approved projects, and undermining investor confidence, it is eroding its own strength—just as China and Russia are moving in tandem to strengthen their energy leverage.

Mr. President, energy, economic, and national security are inseparable. To treat energy policy as a political weapon is to weaken the foundation of security itself.
 
China and Russia Vie to Dominate in Energy. Trump Is Handing Them the Win. Barrron's Link

Last week, Beijing also tightened its ties with Moscow by signing a legally binding memorandum to advance the Power of Siberia 2 pipeline, a 50 billion cubic meter project that will redirect Russian gas flows eastward. This should be understood as a political move underscoring Beijing’s leverage. China knows Russia is isolated and under pressure, and that it can extract concessions from Russia for privileged access to strategic resources. With limited options in global markets, Moscow needs Beijing far more than Beijing needs Moscow.

Yet China isn’t choosing hydrocarbons above renewables; it is taking a highly diversified approach to its domestic energy security, turning its manufacturing capacity across emerging energy technologies into strategic leverage.

It has already built and installed the world’s most powerful floating offshore wind turbine. According to BloombergNEF, China will install three out of every four offshore wind turbines in the world this year. China has become a dominant global manufacturer of wind equipment and the largest supplier of solar panels and batteries. Its state-owned firms secure cheap financing, its long-term targets keep developers investing at scale, and its streamlined permitting quickens deployment. The result is a rapid and extensive buildout of renewables capacity, which strengthens energy security at home and competitiveness abroad.

The U.S. possesses the strongest energy landscape in the world: vast oil and gas reserves, world-class renewable potential, deep capital markets, and unmatched potential for technological innovation. Yet instead of leveraging these advantages, Washington is narrowing opportunities for greater energy abundance.

Such actions also reveal a gap in the administration’s understanding of security. Climate security is a critical part of the overall national security. Offshore wind diversifies the energy supply, buffers against turbulent oil costs, and mitigates rising carbon emissions.

To sideline new energy sources at this moment undermines economic security, too. U.S. electricity demand is on the rise, utilities are warning of supply constraints, and households are facing rising utility bills. The reduction in solar and wind installations is already having implications for energy jobs, weakening the employment outlook beyond 2025.

The irony is profound. The U.S. has every advantage: resources, technology, and capital. By politicizing renewables, delaying approved projects, and undermining investor confidence, it is eroding its own strength—just as China and Russia are moving in tandem to strengthen their energy leverage.


Mr. President, energy, economic, and national security are inseparable. To treat energy policy as a political weapon is to weaken the foundation of security itself.
Yup

Republicans can't see more than 2 months into the future.
 
Energy is a huge global market. Nobody's winning nor losing. Every county is just satisfying their own energy needs through shared technology. There's no such thing as 'dominate the energy market'.
 
Are you joining us from 1950?

The future is renewables and China is walking the talk. More than 50% of China's electricity is now renewable.
The future is renewable, that is obvious to anyone without an emotional attachment to fossil fuels.
 
The future is renewable, that is obvious to anyone without an emotional attachment to fossil fuels.
His criticism about China’s use of coal is hilarious considering Trump wants to make coal great again.
 
When people think about what the future will look like they have to consider that more and more people will desire a first world lifestyle.
This cannot happen with only fossil fuels. We need all the sources of energy available, but we also need a way to
move the non dispatchable sources like Wind and Solar to the dispatchable category.
Thankfully nature has evolved a near perfect energy storage device, hydrocarbons. We also have a vast infrastructure
for the distribution of hydrocarbon fuels.
As demand for hydrocarbon fuels increase the price of oil will also increase.
Meantime the abundance of Wind and Solar electricity, will suppress the price of electricity when supplies peak.
What causes negative prices in CEE energy markets?
Negative prices occur when generators are willing to pay the market to take electricity. In central and eastern Europe (CEE), this happens during hours when supply overwhelms demand and the grid cannot export or absorb the surplus.
This combination will lead to the price curve of oil going up, as the price curve of wholesale electricity goes down.
At some point the price of electricity to create a gallon of hydrocarbon fuel from Atmospheric CO2 and water, will be less
than the cost of purchasing and refining oil.
Power-to-Liquids Primer: Fuel From Thin Air
This is what I think is the sustainable energy path to the future.
 
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