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‘A recipe for scandal’: Trump conflicts of interest point to constitutional[W:304]

Re: ‘A recipe for scandal’: Trump conflicts of interest point to constitutional crisi

But that is the point. Until Jan 20th, he will not be in violation. Which means he has fifty days to do what he needs to do so on Day One he is free from any potential conflicts or violations. Hopefully his announcement yesterday will be the first step to doing just that.

arguendo, assuming he makes no changes and is sworn in as president, what Constitutional provision, law, rule, or regulation can you point to that tRump has actually violated?
 
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arguendo, assuming he makes no changes and is sworn in as president, what Constitutional provision, law, rule, or regulation can you point to that tRump has actually violated?

I will leave that to those who will have access to the Trump financial records. I think the articles I provided show there is plenty of opportunity for future conflicts of interest arising.

The ones I previously provided detail a great many areas where Trump could have serious conflict ts of interest arising and - depending on how he handles it - legal liability could arise in the future. But nobody will know any of that until it happens - but why wait for that sort of crisis to happen? I think that is the point.
 
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My post speaks to the two sides of the right wing.
1- the Wall Street wing
2- the populist tea party wing

I would have thought you understood that.

The wall street wing voted for Clinton and the populist wing isn't just the tea party. I believe you have listened to too many false narratives from your party this last few years.
 
Re: ‘A recipe for scandal’: Trump conflicts of interest point to constitutional crisi

I will leave that to those who will have access to the Trump financial records. I think the articles I provided show there is plenty of opportunity for future conflicts of interest arising.

The ones I previously provided detail a great many areas where Trump could have serious conflict ts of interest arising and - depending on how he handles it - legal liability could arise in the future. But nobody will know any of that until it happens - but why wait for that sort of crisis to happen? I think that is the point.

and that is the point i am attempting to make

many who oppose tRump insist he is obligated to place his assets in a blind tRust

and that is not true. it WOULD be advisable. it likely will keep him out of political hot water, eliminating accusations of self dealing, but it is NOT something he MUST do

i see this as some more rope extended to tRump. now i am watching to see when he uses it to [FIGURATIVELY] hang himself

i suspect it is only a matter of time
 
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There is a difference between a mere reply and an actual answer. You have yet to answer if Trump should clear up all his possible business conflicts by day one of his administration.

I replied the way I did because it won't matter what he does to do that, it won't be enough for you, much like my answer to your question.

So he should do what he needs to do legally while completely ignoring whatever stupid solution you believe is enough, because as usual your standards are defined by your partisan leanings.
 
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The wall street wing voted for Clinton and the populist wing isn't just the tea party. I believe you have listened to too many false narratives from your party this last few years.

Do you have any data on that claim about the Wall street wing of the GOP?

There is cross over between populism and tea party folk. That is obvious. Its that blue collar, lower educated distrustful of institutions type individual that finds both lines of belief comforting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_populism

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tea-Party-movement
 
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Do you have any data on that claim about the Wall street wing of the GOP?

There is cross over between populism and tea party folk. That is obvious. Its that blue collar, lower educated distrustful of institutions type individual that finds both lines of belief comforting.

Cross tabs on voting data before the election. Blue Collar workers have reason to be distrustful of institutions, they have been getting screwed by them for a while now.
 
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Cross tabs on voting data before the election. Blue Collar workers have reason to be distrustful of institutions, they have been getting screwed by them for a while now.

That would be a NO I DON'T from you.
 
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I replied the way I did because it won't matter what he does to do that, it won't be enough for you, much like my answer to your question.

But you never answered by question. You did post a reply which was not an answer either way.
 
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That would be a NO I DON'T from you.

Whatever blatant stupidity you need to tell yourself to get past losing the election.
 
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But you never answered by question. You did post a reply which was not an answer either way.

I gave you a factual answer, he should do whatever is legally required of him. He should not let that be defined by the sour grapes losers of the last election but by the legal requirements. So you can keep fishing for your response for another three pages or you can drop it but neither one is going to get you the satisfaction of the answer you are searching for. You have gotten an answer, its just not the one you want.
 
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I'll answer you in good faith even though you've pointedly not returned that favor.

I was asking sincerely; all you had to do was reply that you were referring to Trump University rather than stating that my posts are not in good faith. :2wave:
 
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I was asking sincerely; all you had to do was reply that you were referring to Trump University rather than stating that my posts are not in good faith. :2wave:

I did answer, and in depth, and you did not respond in good faith twice, just as for a third time just now you did not respond in good faith. If you're not here to debate, what are you in this thread for? Because at this point I'm honestly baffled by your function here.
 
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What legal/Constitutional obligation exists for Trump to place his estate in a blind trust? I have yet to see anyone point to such legal obligation being imposed upon our president (and vice president)

My understanding of the function of a blind trust is that it protects us from harm as a result of any infractions of the Emoluments Clause, and it inoculates the President against suspicion or even accidentally breaking the Emolument Clause.

But there is no law, rule, or regulation which compels a president-elect to place his holdings in a blind trust

Now, i recognize to do so would eliminate any potential for the perception of/or actual self dealing while exercising his presidential powers, but there is no legal obligation for Trump to (do so) absent himself from his estate, while also remaining compliant with the emoluments clause.

I see no reason Trump should have to sell all of his businesses because people that didn't vote for him want him to. It isn't legally required. It isn't constitutionally required. I think he would be stupid to. The only people that want him to are the ones that gave a pass to the ethically bankrupt previous administration and voted for Clinton. Meh, not a big deal.

Let's tackle the easiest thing first.

Cardinal, you're correct from an ethical standpoint. As President(-elect), Trump should place a vast majority of his financial instruments (i.e., stocks/options, bonds, mutual funds, etc.) and income-producing properties (i.e., licensing agreements and physical real property holdings, partineships) in a blind trust to inoculates himself against any suspicion or even accidentally breaking the Emolument Clause where it could be viewed that he either used his position of power for profit or allowed himself to be coerced and, thus, uses his position of power for his own self-interest.

Now, placing his assets or other financial interest in a blind trust doesn't mean he'd have to sell everything he owns. Just enough to reasonable ensure he can't be coerced. How much and to what degree is determined by federal ethics boards/comission and the trustee. But in establishing said blind trust, (some of) Trump's assets would be sold off, but others would be purchased. The point here being that as long as Trump remains POTUS, he'd never know exactly what he owned, what he owes and to whom he owes a debt to. This follows the axiom, "The less you know, the better off you'll be."

To justabubba, you are correct in that there is no law, rule, regulations nor Constitutional requirement that would compel (mandate) any federal official (an "employee" towhich the President and Vice President are defined as under the law) to place his holdings in a blind trust. However, under U.S. law, Title 5, Code 7342(a)(3) and (5), the President cannot accept gifts (to include cash or cash payments..."emoluments") above the minimum value ($100) without the consent from Congress* (subparagraph (c)(1), except when said gift is deemed to be(come) the "property of the United States" or as otherwise authorized by law.

*Also see U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 9, Clause 8

To NonoBadDog, you're right. Trump shouldn't be forced to sell all of his business interests/assets. But no one's asking him to. All the people are asking him to do - some who voted for him and those who did not - is as POTUS(-elect) not to place himself in a position where there is a clear and obvious conflict of interest between himself and his business/financial interest where he could potentially use his position of power for his own self-interest or put those interest above that of the nation. If people can't see the inherent problem here, then you really aren't part of a "well informed electorate".

Note: I should also point out that Title 18, U.S. Code 208(a) also makes it clear that the POTUS's financial interest cannot be "so substantial as to be deemed likely to affect the integrity of the services which the government may expect from such officer or employee". So, again, it's really up to the Dir., Office of Gov't Ethics to make such a determination as to how substantial Trump's financial interests are and if they would pose a serious or significant conflict of interest.
 
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Whatever blatant stupidity you need to tell yourself to get past losing the election.

Attacking me when you were the only who couplet not prove your claim with evidence is bad form.
 
Re: ‘A recipe for scandal’: Trump conflicts of interest point to constitutional crisi

I gave you a factual answer, he should do whatever is legally required of him. He should not let that be defined by the sour grapes losers of the last election but by the legal requirements. So you can keep fishing for your response for another three pages or you can drop it but neither one is going to get you the satisfaction of the answer you are searching for. You have gotten an answer, its just not the one you want.

NO.The question was should he have this started now so it is finished on Day One of he Trump administration or should be wait until Jan 20 to even being the process.

Do you now have an answer?
 
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1. We are discussing the topic - specifically, we are discussing whether or not those making this argument are making it in good faith.

2. When I play Mod, I get dinged for it. Do as you please, but let my points serve as a warning to you ;)

I'm embarrassed that it is so difficult for you to respect the last sentence of the first post.
 
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Whatever blatant stupidity you need to tell yourself to get past losing the election.

The bold above seems to serve as your acknowledgement that you lost the argument.
 
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To NonoBadDog, you're right. Trump shouldn't be forced to sell all of his business interests/assets. But no one's asking him to. All the people are asking him to do - some who voted for him and those who did not - is as POTUS(-elect) not to place himself in a position where there is a clear and obvious conflict of interest between himself and his business/financial interest where he could potentially use his position of power for his own self-interest or put those interest above that of the nation. If people can't see the inherent problem here, then you really aren't part of a "well informed electorate".

He has already stated he would totally remove himself from the business but that wouldn't be enough to quiet the whiners.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...conflicts-of-interest/?utm_term=.510ea859d71b

“I will be holding a major news conference in New York City with my children on December 15 to discuss the fact that I will be leaving my great business in total in order to fully focus on running the country in order to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!” Trump tweeted.

“While I am not mandated to do this under the law, I feel it is visually important, as President, to in no way have a conflict of interest with my various businesses. Hence, legal documents are being crafted which take me completely out of business operations. The Presidency is a far more important task!”

Cheney put all of his assets in a blind trust and people still bitched because the trust made money. I guess they thought the trust was supposed to lose money.
 
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Liberals are jealous and outraged that Trump is going to be able to use his business acumen to negotiate better business deals for Americans. Imagine the deals Trump could offer Dutarte to stop allying with China?

Anyway The Guardian is another anti-Trump rag that's not fit to line the bottom of a birdcage.

Every paper that is less than worshipful is a "rag" to you. By the end of the next 4 years, the only source you'll still like is Breitbart and maybe WND.
 
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He has already stated he would totally remove himself from the business but that wouldn't be enough to quiet the whiners.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...conflicts-of-interest/?utm_term=.510ea859d71b



Cheney put all of his assets in a blind trust and people still bitched because the trust made money. I guess they thought the trust was supposed to lose money.

If a blind trust was good enough for Cheney, why not Trump?
 
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If a blind trust was good enough for Cheney, why not Trump?

Different assets. Huge amount of different kinds of assets between Cheney and Trump. Cheney's were mostly stocks and bonds. Cheney didn't own and manage 514 active companies with family as co-owners and management.
 
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I said, Senior Counsel. Look up "Bannon wife assault." He beat his wife a half dozen times over the first couple years of their marriage and then it ended after he attacked her while driving, then he threw a telephone across the room trying to hit her. I've been posting about it because nobody knows about it. I don't know why

EDIT: Misunderstood your post somehow. Steve Bannon.

She called the police and they saw the marks on her neck. And wrist. Just like her story. This information comes from legal documentation and the charges were dropped only because she didn't show up for the proceedings. You can read about why, but either way, Ray Rice punched his wife in the face and the charges were dropped... so that means he isn't guilty either? It's pretty surprising that you're dismissing a man attacking his wife. A man who will be in the White House every day.

I remember that you used to be a really reasonable, center-right poster, but you've taken a really hard right turn IMO. I'm hoping that you just didn't read anything about Steve Bannon, but if you care about who will be influencing the direction of the country, you should actually spend the time to read up on him.



How many times did you say he beat his wife?
He beat his wife a half dozen times over the first couple years of their marriage

How many times was he charged with Domestic Violence?
Once
Were the charges ever dropped on any of those charges?
Yes
How many times was he convicted of Domestic Violence?
None


You told one story then you changed the story to come closer to the truth. Hmmm. I suspect you knew the true story before you posted the first post with all the fabricated accusations.
 
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The bold above seems to serve as your acknowledgement that you lost the argument.

Really? Hillary is President? You lost, get over it.
 
Re: ‘A recipe for scandal’: Trump conflicts of interest point to constitutional crisi

NO.The question was should he have this started now so it is finished on Day One of he Trump administration or should be wait until Jan 20 to even being the process.

Do you now have an answer?

He has already stated he is beginning the process now. Why are you asking stupid questions? Why should he be subject to ethics and integrity questions before he enters office?
 
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