How do you know that ?
If god spoke to you and you spoke back...and you had a conversation, would that not convince you that he exists ?
I'm cool with agnostics. They don't just take make believe stuff and claim it is real. They are concerned with knowledge, which is refreshing.
How can that be the case ?
A Gnostic is someone with knowledge of god.
An Agnostic is someone without that knowledge. It is not someone who rejects that knowledge of god is possible.
Again there are many personal opinion on what Agnosticism means, that is what it means to me.
Unless you are a fundamentalist agnostic. They can be annoying.
I'm not sure what one of those is.
We had one here that basically said nothing can be known period. He made angel look rational.
Who the hell are you that anyone's personal introspective knowledge must have your imprimatur? How do you mount the high horse you ride with your head buried in the sand? Quite a trick.No one has presented any knowledge of any god for examination at least. I also don't know for an absolute fact that no one has any knowledge of Cthulhu. But I have no reason to think that they do. You're just desperate to get people to say things they aren't saying, aren't you?
They're cool. Honest with others if not with themselves.Your thoughts on Agnostics
An Agnostic is someone without knowledge of god...without the absolute certainty of his existence...BUT who is looking for it.
What is with the DP Ostrich Party that makes them think they know their asses from their elbows about anything outside the little hole in the sand their heads are buried in?What is it with folks in this section of DP that makes them think they can just make up their own definitions of words????
You mean the popular version.
By all means do so, but you'd be wrong.
agnostic
NOUN
A person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.
agnostic
noun [ C ] US /æɡˈnɑs·tɪk/
someone who believes that it is impossible to know whether or not God exists
No, you cannot assume that something that is not demonstrated is so....
...that's back to being delusional. If that's your standard, then your standard has some serious, serious problems....
...there are people who say that god is inherently beyond the knowledge of mankind....
...that doesn't mean they don't believe in gods anyhow, it means they do not think they can ever rationally discover any gods. There are plenty of people who think all gods are outside of human knowledge and still believe....
...if the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists, then he can communicate and converse with a human on Earth. That doesn't make that a worthwhile assumption....
...I have an evidence-based knowledge that my parents exist. I can prove it. I have direct, demonstrable, objectively verifiable evidence that they are, or were, real. Now do the same thing with any god....
...do you get tired of being dishonest? Because nowhere did I say anything even remotely close to that....
...I provided the definition of the word delusion. Go back and re-read it.
Why do you get to decide what's right and what's wrong regarding the most widely known definition of a word???
Oxford dictionary:
Cambridge dictionary:
What is it with folks in this section of DP that makes them think they can just make up their own definitions of words????
...a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
No one has presented any knowledge of any god for examination at least. I also don't know for an absolute fact that no one has any knowledge of Cthulhu. But I have no reason to think that they do. You're just desperate to get people to say things they aren't saying, aren't you?
Why do you get to decide what's right and what's wrong regarding the most widely known definition of a word???
Oxford dictionary:
Cambridge dictionary:
No one demonstrably has any knowledge about god. No one. So that definition of gnostic is empty.
What is it with folks in this section of DP that makes them think they can just make up their own definitions of words????
Can you demonstrate any conversation you've had with your father?
I have some videos and taped recordings of some of our conversations.
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But even if you don't want to do that, since you cannot categorically state that god does not exist, you have to concede that he might exist...even if the probability was minute.
No it's not - see above
If you can't understand it, your ability to understand has serious, serious problems
Well then I will just limit my explanations to you, to the concepts of god generally agreed upon by Christians
Then let's define an Agnostic with reference to the well known Christian god - which by coincidence is the same god that the early Gnostic church believed in
If it exists, then why not ?
So you don't believe that your parents exist, you KNOW that they exist
A Gnostic will claim to KNOW that god exists in the same way they you claim to know that your parents exist. That he'she has interacted with them. Whether or not you believe them is irrelevant.
Can you demonstrate any conversation you've had with your father ?
If your father told you that you conceived after he ate an banana split, how could you demonstrate that conversation to anyone ?
A Gnostic professes to have interested with god.
Whether you believe them is irrelevant.
Yes, it is possible, in the realm of extreme possibilities, that some kind of god exists. Possible. Not likely. Not supported by any evidence of any kind. That's the position of the vast majority of atheists.
What are you going on about? It is also not impossible that we all live in the Matrix. It is also not impossible that we are all part of someone's incredibly intricate dream. That doesn't mean that anyone has any reason to take those possibilities seriously and think that's actually what's going on. There is a big difference between "it might be conceivably true" and "this is a reasonable thing to think is actually true". Why can't you see that?
Why limit it to Christians? Because a lot of Christians, very vocal Christians, professional Christian apologists, take the position that I stated.
No, let's define agnostic as it is actually defined. Gnosis - knowledge. Add in the prefix a- and you have "without knowledge". That's what the word means. Do the Greek.
*IF* it exists. And how do you determine *IF* it exists? Now apply that to Christianity.
Because I have verifiable evidence that they do. When do you think you'll have that for your imaginary friend?
Except I'm not claiming to know, I can prove that I do. When can any theist do that?
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