NO.
In any public school, all Americans have contributed tax dollars and no child should be taught nonsense.
It is not in our nation's best interests to allow parents to render their children ignorant and unemployable.[/COLOR]
That's quite alright by me.I have a knack for seeing the hidden talent in people and giving them a chance when others such as yourself won't.I volunteer at a program that teaches culinary skills to at risk teens."Carlos" had a knack for cooking,and when he became 18,I gave him a job at one of my restaurants as a dishwasher.Eight years later,he's my assistant chef at my latest restaurant,and a fine cook.He has a home,a wife and 2 lovely twins now.I took a chance on him,and we both benefitted from it.That's fine. Just realize that I probably wouldn't hire most of the kids ages 18-25 that I see to dig a ditch for me, regardless of whether they got their education at a public or private school.
Then again, there are those of us who would never work for someone like your daughter anyway. Not because of her educational background, but because of her gender.
As both a parent and a businessman,there is nothing I like better than people who are willing to limit their own options in life because of some ideology.That just means more opportunities for success and wealth for me,my children,my grandchildren,my great-grandchildren.....so you just go on right ahead doing with what you are doing and believing whatever it is you want to believe.You are just doing me and my family a HUGE FAVOR by not willing or able to compete.
Excellent summation. I'd like to add a couple points though. One of the reasons I see folks reject many scientific conclusions is down to reproducability. So many scientific conclusions are not reproducible by lay people (they do not have the tools, equipment or learning to do so). Also, again, many times, the scientific conclusion is at direct odds with the individual's life experience.
However, you leave out a very important factor, which Goshin mentioned - scientists are human just like everyone else. They fudge numbers, seek advancement in their fields (sometimes to the exclusion of accuracy), cheat, deceive and downright just get it wrong. The tools of scientific inquiry are sound, the problem is the nut behind the wheel.
Don't impose your beliefs on my children, and I won't impose my beliefs on yours.
That's why belief is bad. Knowledge is good. Belief is bad.
"How to improve public schools" is a vastly different convo from "no taxpayer dollars should be spent on educating children", Pirate.
That's quite alright by me.I have a knack for seeing the hidden talent in people and giving them a chance when others such as yourself won't.I volunteer at a program that teaches culinary skills to at risk teens."Carlos" had a knack for cooking,and when he became 18,I gave him a job at one of my restaurants as a dishwasher.Eight years later,he's my assistant chef at my latest restaurant,and a fine cook.He has a home,a wife and 2 lovely twins now.I took a chance on him,and we both benefitted from it.
Again that is quite alright by me.There are plenty of other people out there who are just as qualified or better who don't have that problem working for my daughter because of her gender.
As both a parent and a businessman,there is nothing I like better than people who are willing to limit their own options in life because of some ideology.That just means more opportunities for success and wealth for me,my children,my grandchildren,my great-grandchildren.....so you just go on right ahead doing with what you are doing and believing whatever it is you want to believe.You are just doing me and my family a HUGE FAVOR by not willing or able to compete.
Your comment was good until it delved into this gross simplification of the issue.Beliefs are dangerous. Things you know, that you can prove, those can be debated and discussed. They can be analyzed. You can figure out if they're good or bad. Beliefs are just "I believe xyz, and there's nothing you can say to change that." Unchangeable positions that aren't subject to examination are dangerous.
That's why belief is bad. Knowledge is good. Belief is bad.
The problem with public schools is the argument now exploding in your thread. Education is very personal. No two people will educate their children the excact same way with same emphasis on certain subjects. Public schools came about because people back in the late 1800's thought that the europeans specifically the prussians had a good idea. Well America is NOT europe. We are a different breed of nuts. We are diverse and getting more so as time passes on. Our schools MUST be able to cope with that. One size fits all doesnt work. While I dont agree with public schooling as a general policy sometimes that is a good policy loacaly. State wide or national, is just foolish as we are seeing now, hell your schools were you are are having trouble teaching people to read. Think about all the money and resources you are wasting there with little to show for it. Public schools are not working for your communitie. You need to figure something else out. Radical problems require radical solutions. Everybody is thinking inside the box, to use an overworked cliche. Time to start thinking radicaly, to think about the unthinkable.
We'll see how that works out for the lot of you on the OTHER side of Eternity.
Logical flaw is illogical, Tigger.
I'd have no problem with localizing textbook purchases, but I do think we need national standards on their contents.
There's an efficiency of scale lost when you don't buy in bulk, but if people want to pay more, I have no heartburn over it.
FAITH rather than Logic is the basis of the comment; so the illogic of it is immaterial, Pinky. Some of us choose to experience the world with a different set of senses from the ones you prefer. That's fine. I have no problem with you choosing to limit the senses you use to experience to world, just please don't tell me that I have to as well.
We dont need national standards, thats what got us into this mess in the first place. Everybody is argueing about what should go into them and be left out. The market can sort that out. Schools should be funded and controlled locally. I mean real localy. Each school should be its own entity supported by its users. That way the people who use have the most say in what goes on in it.
Your comment was good until it delved into this gross simplification of the issue.
"Belief good. Knowledge bad." is not a good argument if only for the fact that scientists often have to believe before they create or use the tools required to acquire knowledge.
1. Discipline yes. Beat abusively no.
2. Those who want their children to be educated in a certain manner differing substantially from societal norms should put their children in private schools. This would include rabid atheists who don't want their children exposed to Christmas as much as fundamentalists who don't want their children exposed to evolution. Vouchers.
3. Denounce? As is "speak against"? Sure, anyone can say anything. Denounce as in "try to block it"? Well, the bugger's got to stand to election doesn't he? Hold him accountable at the polls.
The logical flaw is that if eternity is eternal, it cannot have an "other side".
As for faith, I have it myself, Tigger. Mine is different than yours. Do I have any right to force you to pay for mine through taxation, etc.?
This has nothing to do with "moddycoddling the fundies." It has to do with the knowledge people must have in order to be effective students and citizens as well as critical thinkers. A nation as ignorant as it is about religion now is self-defeating. People's ignorance about Islam has caused them to support foreign policy that might decrease our national security. People's ignorance about Christianity has much of the population supporting laws based on that religion that many would not if they actually knew anything about the Bible and religion they claim allegiance to.
Religion classes might, in some sense, seem needless, but considering that beliefs about religion significantly impact much of the countries social, political and personal views, such classes are actually quite important.
We'll see how that works out for the lot of you on the OTHER side of Eternity.
I don't want to get into a massive spiritual/religious debate on this. I could have said "The other side of the Veil" or something like that, if you'd have prefered.
I'm not asking anyone to pay for my faith. Hell, I don't even belong to an organized religious group, so I can't even say some clergyman who represents me is getting government support through tax exemptions or anything. I don't believe in teaching Creationism, my views on how the world came to be, or anything of the sort in public schools either. All I would like to see is the scientific community admit that they don't have an answer for everything and that they still DON'T KNOW quite a bit about almost everything. Until they are willing to do that, and to accept that not everyone is going to bow down before the altar of Science; I will not send any child of mine to a public school. I'm not asking you (or anyone else) to support my viewpoint financially. I'm just asking you not to stick your nose into what I would teach my own children, on my own time, in my own home.
We dont need national standards, thats what got us into this mess in the first place. Everybody is argueing about what should go into them and be left out. The market can sort that out. Schools should be funded and controlled locally. I mean real localy. Each school should be its own entity supported by its users. That way the people who use have the most say in what goes on in it.
I'd have no problem with localizing textbook purchases, but I do think we need national standards on their contents.
There's an efficiency of scale lost when you don't buy in bulk, but if people want to pay more, I have no heartburn over it.
Your prejudice against reality and academia does cause you to make some silly statements.
Just what do you think science is? If scientists already knew everything, they would be out of a job. Science is asking questions about stuff we don't know yet.
Your comment was good until it delved into this gross simplification of the issue.
"Belief good. Knowledge bad." is not a good argument if only for the fact that scientists often have to believe before they create or use the tools required to acquire knowledge.
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