Yes or no folks. Do you think Trump is using the Presidency for personal profit?

[braindrain]

Of course he is. Anyone that can’t see that is lying to themselves.

 

[holbritter]

Bigly

 

[Felis Leo]

My take.



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The point of Mrs. Leavitt lying so blatantly is not to be believed.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

The point of Mrs. Leavitt lying so blatantly is not to be believed.

???

I’d ask you to flesh that out some, please.

 

[Felis Leo]

???

I’d ask you to flesh that out some, please.

I will repeat what I said in another thread on the same subject, ModernDiogenes. The point of these ridiculous, obvious lies often spoken with a sneer and a grin is not to be believed. It is to assert power. I think Masha Gessen put it best:

Lies can serve a number of functions. People lie to deflect, to avoid embarrassment or evade punishment by creating doubt, to escape confrontation or lighten the blow, to make themselves appear better, to get others to do or give something, and even to entertain.

However unskilled a person may be at lying, they usually hope that the lie will be convincing. Executives want shareholders to think that they have devised a foolproof path to profits. Defendants want juries to believe that there is a chance that someone else committed the crime.

People in relationships want their partners to think that they have never even considered cheating. Guests want the host to think that they like their fish overcooked. These lies can be annoying or amusing, but they are surmountable. They collapse in the face of facts.

The Trumpian lie is different. It is the power lie or the bully lie. It is the lie of the bigger kid who took your hat and is wearing it while denying that he took it. There is no defense against this lie because the point of the lie is to assert power, to show I can say what I want, when I want to.

The power lie conjures a different reality that demands that you choose between your experience and the bully’s demands. Are you going to insist that you’re wet from the rain or give in and say that the sun is shining?

 

[Ikari]

One of the most blatantly corrupt administrations ever.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

With things like the sale of Trump mem coin special dinners with the President for highest volume purchasers, deals done with White House trips to foreign nations for Trump real estate and partnerships with his personal business, do you think Trump is using the Presidency to personally profit his private business ventures?

why is there not a choice like "Of ****ing course he is!"

 

[Simon W. Moon]

One of the most blatantly corrupt administrations ever.

he is a caricature of a crooked politician

he is everything Trumpco accused Biden of being
but worse

 

[snowynight]

Our president is out on bail and cannot be sent to jail because of his job. Yes, he's profiting. The good news is that he's 79 years old.

 

[snowynight]

Absolutely, no question and in the open. The SCOTUS opened the door and the GOP is letting him walk right through

I honestly believe that if we can get the house and senate back that they should be punished. They took an oath to defend the constitution and they're throwing America to the wolves. That punishment won't happen, but it should.

 

[JMR]

My take.



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She is the biggest friggin liar to ever stand at that podium. Makes Sean Spicer and Sarah Humblebee look like pillars of truth.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

I will repeat what I said in another thread on the same subject, ModernDiogenes. The point of these ridiculous, obvious lies often spoken with a sneer and a grin is not to be believed. It is to assert power. I think Masha Gessen put it best:

Lies can serve a number of functions. People lie to deflect, to avoid embarrassment or evade punishment by creating doubt, to escape confrontation or lighten the blow, to make themselves appear better, to get others to do or give something, and even to entertain.

However unskilled a person may be at lying, they usually hope that the lie will be convincing. Executives want shareholders to think that they have devised a foolproof path to profits. Defendants want juries to believe that there is a chance that someone else committed the crime.

People in relationships want their partners to think that they have never even considered cheating. Guests want the host to think that they like their fish overcooked. These lies can be annoying or amusing, but they are surmountable. They collapse in the face of facts.

The Trumpian lie is different. It is the power lie or the bully lie. It is the lie of the bigger kid who took your hat and is wearing it while denying that he took it. There is no defense against this lie because the point of the lie is to assert power, to show I can say what I want, when I want to.

The power lie conjures a different reality that demands that you choose between your experience and the bully’s demands. Are you going to insist that you’re wet from the rain or give in and say that the sun is shining?

Ok, now I get what you’re driving at. I agree, to an extent.

I think that, today, that may be what Trump’s lies have morphed into. However, Trump is a con man and con men lie, first, to set false expectations so as to allow incorrect beliefs that benefit their theft by deception, then they lie to conflate and obfuscate to avoid punishment.

This is the baseline, I believe, of Trump’s lying. The “grifters lies”.

 

[markdc]

With things like the sale of Trump mem coin special dinners with the President for highest volume purchasers, deals done with White House trips to foreign nations for Trump real estate and partnerships with his personal business, do you think Trump is using the Presidency to personally profit his private business ventures?

Of course he is.

Most American politicians (and members of their family) use their office for personal profit. Trump may be more open brazen about his corruption, but he’s hardly the only exploiting his position for money.

Mark

 

[joluoto]

Of course he is.

 

[Quag]

Is water wet?

 

[Quag]

One of the most blatantly corrupt administrations ever.

Fixed that for you

 

[Quag]

Our president is out on bail and cannot be sent to jail because of his job. Yes, he's profiting. The good news is that he's 79 years old.

Not only 79 but also obese with poor diet and little exercise. Hitting a golf ball then getting driven to where you wanted it to land and hitting another ball is not exercise

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Of course he is.

Most American politicians (and members of their family) use their office for personal profit. Trump may be more open brazen about his corruption, but he’s hardly the only exploiting his position for money.

Mark

And, again, a problem DISCERNING equivalents. Justifying an 8 on the corruption scale by pointing to all of the was running around.

Acknowledge the obvious. Trump is a sea change, a paradigm shift. A new level of bad that’s going to do none of us well.

We ought to be working on getting rid of the 2’s. Not using them to just the 8. The answer to evil isn’t more and better evil. The answer to the swamp isn’t “make it swampier”.

 

[Roadvirus]

With things like the sale of Trump mem coin special dinners with the President for highest volume purchasers, deals done with White House trips to foreign nations for Trump real estate and partnerships with his personal business, do you think Trump is using the Presidency to personally profit his private business ventures?

Yes

The Crypto schemes alone prove that.

 

[Jack2aTee]

YES!!!!!

 

[Jack2aTee]

Guess the one person who voted "No".