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WTC1, WTC2 new fireproofing in 2000, Hmmm..

The Council on Foreign Relations is the real government. They pull political strings.

If Haliburton did the fireproofing upgrades, and Cheney was a part of Haliburton, the Bush administration AND active member of the Council on Foreign Relations, then there you have it.

The "Real" Government? :2razz:

Actually, the "Real" Government is the Executive, Legislative and Judicial Branches of Government as set forth in the United States Constitution. That is all that there is to it. Government is taught in High School, and feel free to research it on yhour own if you don't believe me. ;)

I understand that you mean, "The Puppet Masters" or something of the like, but that is unfounded with regards to the government. It could be called a business organization, sure, but to call it a government is stretching the bounds of reality.



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"Got Clue" was just something that popped in my head while I was typing and drinking a glass of milk...guess I thought it was funny..

Cool. So, how do you connect the Council on Foreign Relations with the upgrade?
 
Cool. So, how do you connect the Council on Foreign Relations with the upgrade?

I haven't heard of the possibility of there being some type of elite organization until recently so I am not well inform in this area.

For years I've had growing suspicions on how the very top of our government truely works. I guess what started to arouse my suspicions is how our countries foreign policies could be on such an even keel when every 4-8 years we have a new personality in the office with new ideas that they never follow. When I started hearing of the "Council on Foreign Relations" I started to perceive how this is very possible. It would be a way to have a complete circle of upper management of a country and be litteraly untouchable. Modern day organized crime or sly tyranny.

Just a thought, but I believe it is very possible and perhaps even likely...
 
I haven't heard of the possibility of there being some type of elite organization until recently so I am not well inform in this area.

For years I've had growing suspicions on how the very top of our government truely works. I guess what started to arouse my suspicions is how our countries foreign policies could be on such an even keel when every 4-8 years we have a new personality in the office with new ideas that they never follow. When I started hearing of the "Council on Foreign Relations" I started to perceive how this is very possible. It would be a way to have a complete circle of upper management of a country and be litteraly untouchable. Modern day organized crime or sly tyranny.

Just a thought, but I believe it is very possible and perhaps even likely...
Research Illuminati. Specifically the pyramid thing.
Briefly, as like on the back of our money, there is a pyramid with 13 steps. The eye is the symbol for the "enlightened ones" who truly know whats going on. They're at the top of the pyramid.

We're the sheep at the very bottom.

The President is somewhere around the fifth tier or maybe a bit higher. Anyway, the idea is that the media spotlight is all on that level, so we naturally assume he is the be-all and end-all of everything, that he is "the" leader, so we look no farther upward than that level.

You have to wonder why a bunch of bankers (Look at their membership roster! In fact, Rockefeller was a founding member!) would have any interest in our relationship with countries abroad. Shouldn't they be worried about banking stuff? Foreign Relations, the very name, speaks of politics!
 
The "Real" Government? :2razz:

Actually, the "Real" Government is the Executive, Legislative and Judicial Branches of Government as set forth in the United States Constitution. That is all that there is to it. Government is taught in High School, and feel free to research it on yhour own if you don't believe me. ;)

I understand that you mean, "The Puppet Masters" or something of the like, but that is unfounded with regards to the government. It could be called a business organization, sure, but to call it a government is stretching the bounds of reality.


Ah! Since you want to take more shots at education, you might want to research critical thinking as well as education. After all, I am well educated, which is more than I can say for *cough* some people.

The Constitution... pfft... Let me educate you on that a bit: We hardly use it. You think the Patriot Act upholds the Constitution? Or our rights? Our Liberty?

If we do use the Constitution to the fullest extent, WHY do we pay a bunch of bankers to print our money out of thin air, control the interest rate, it's inflation and deflation of it when Congress -- EMPOWERED BY THE CONSTITUTION -- has the power to print it's own money INTEREST FREE?

Don't talk to me about education or research when you do not meet that criteria yourself. Do not talk to me about Constitution when you are not informed about it. In fact, just don't talk to me.

Or, hey, here are some quotes by people you must be smarter than :

You are smarter than John F. Kennedy? He said:
"The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight."

You are smarter than J. Edgar Hoover? He said :
"
We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. ... The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst."

Smarter than Albert Einstein? He said:
"
The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses."

So much for high school research, huh?

Woodrow Wilson?
"
I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

Harry S. Truman?
"
I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in forty-seven, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo."

You have to pay attention to exactly what it is Woodrow Wilson is talking about and when he said it. It was after he signed the Federal Reserve Bank act of 1913 which gave BANKERS the power to print money out of thin air and charge We, The People interest on it.

Here's a quote about your real government:

"The dirty little secret is that both houses of congress are irrelevant. America's domestic policy is now being run by Alan Greenspan and the Federal Reserve. America's foreign policy is now being run by the International Monetary Fund. When the President decides to go to war, he no longer needs a declaration of war from congress.
-- Robert Reich, Adviser to President Clinton.

Here is YOUR President pledging allegiance to the -- what's this? The UN?
"It is the sacred principles enshrined in the UN Charter to which we will henceforth pledge our allegiance."
--George Bush addressing the world leaders at the UN.

So much for sovereignty.

Here is your Legislative Branch's take on your real government:

"The Council on Foreign Relations is "the establishment." Not only does it have influence and power in key decision-making positions at the highest levels of government to apply pressure from above, but it also announces and uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below, to justify the high level decisions for converting the U.S. from a sovereign Constitutional Republic into a servile member state of a one-world dictatorship."
-- Former Congressman John Rarick 1971

How else are we to have a One World government?

But honestly your trollish posts with your sly little innuendos regarding my education or intelligence is quite old and childish, especially since it's obviously you either have no idea what you are talking about or posts rubbish for the sake of acting like a troll.

Here are more quotes for you to not pay attention to:
"The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create deposits." -- Sir Josiah Stamp

"When stupidity is considered patriotism, it is unsafe to be intelligent." ~ Isaac Asimov

[SIZE=+1] "The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, and more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces as public enemies all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe." -- President Abraham Lincoln.[/SIZE]

"The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the Council on Foreign Relations, The Trilateral Commission - founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - and the Bilderberger Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens." -- Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D., former German defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Woerner

"Wars are really a continuous stream of coordinated acts of terrorism, related to money and power instigated by the people who will benefit from the war and its expected end result. War is an instrument to expand economic power by destroying the national institutions and intelligent people of the victimized nation." -- Unknown.


And, one of my favorite (from a banker too, no doubt)
"
Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws." -- Mayer Amschel Rothschild

Still think there is not a power behind our government? You talk about research? Why don't you look up who sponsored our President's White House run? The BANKS! Why don't you look to see who is on his economic team? BANKERS.
 
Ah! Since you want to take more shots at education, you might want to research critical thinking as well as education. After all, I am well educated, which is more than I can say for *cough* some people.

I would put my education and intelligence up against yours any day of the week sweetie... ;)

More shots? When have I made any? Link please, or else eat it...

UNeducated or UNintelligent people are certainly likely to not recognize intelligence in others though. For you to actually state what you have says more about you than it does about me, in all honesty. And what is funny is that I never insulted your education nor your intelligence, I have simple asserted that you make statements that defy common sense sometimes, and this can be attributed to zeal, or other non-intelligence based criteria thus nullifying any attack on your intelligence. Following this simple little line of logic at all? :2razz:


The Constitution... pfft... Let me educate you on that a bit: We hardly use it. You think the Patriot Act upholds the Constitution? Or our rights? Our Liberty?

Twist it all you like... and next time, say what you mean and mean what you say. That would avoid you having to back peddle repeatedly in order to attempt to justify your opinions and ill thought tripe. :lol:



If we do use the Constitution to the fullest extent, WHY do we pay a bunch of bankers to print our money out of thin air, control the interest rate, it's inflation and deflation of it when Congress -- EMPOWERED BY THE CONSTITUTION -- has the power to print it's own money INTEREST FREE?

Bankers print their own money? Source please, 'cause last time I checked, that was the job of the Treasury Department. It was established by an Act of Congress in 1789 to manage government revenue.



Don't talk to me about education or research when you do not meet that criteria yourself. Do not talk to me about Constitution when you are not informed about it. In fact, just don't talk to me.

Yeah... I happen to understand the Constitution in great depth. If you want to start off on a high horse, then your first statements (about printing money) should not be stupid ones that are completely incorrect.




Or, hey, here are some quotes by people you must be smarter than :

Maybe I am smarter than some... maybe not. Who cares? Bush was President. Does that one action qualify him as smart? Hoover was a fanatic... does that make him insightful or was he in power because he had the dirt on people of power so they feared him? Hmmm? Why don't you start to do some of that great thinking that you seem to be assured that you are capable of doing instead of spouting off sophomoric statements instead.



You are smarter than John F. Kennedy? He said:
"The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight."


Did he inform us, or was he killed first. Another thing you must begin to learn is "Context".
You post quotes as if they are the end all... it is foolish to do so.


You are smarter than J. Edgar Hoover? He said :
"
We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. ... The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst."


How you include Hoover and his fanatical Communist Conspiracy into this, I will never know. :lol:


Smarter than Albert Einstein? He said:
"
The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses."

So much for high school research, huh?


I didn't say that it was high-school research. I said that it is taught in high school, implying that it is so simple, that there is no debate over the issue. Comprenda?
 
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