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WTC1, WTC2 new fireproofing in 2000, Hmmm..

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WTC1, WTC2, have apparently received an upgrade of fireproofing on all the floor joists between 1999-2001.

How is this even possible to get at and upgrade? Hmmmm...would like to hear rational intput.
 
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WTC1, WTC2, have apparently received an upgrade of fireproofing on all the floor joists between 1999-2001.

How is this even possible to get at and upgrade? Hmmmm...would like to hear rational intput.

and you source would beeeeeee?
 
Yes, we need a source. We have to give them a chance to
make up more lies. It's the least we can do.

But replacing the fireproofing (how ironic) would give them
access to all the steel beams for a while.
 
TY.

"Based on a 1995 study, guidelines were issued in 1999 to upgrade the fireproofing requirements for floors undergoing construction or renovation.
By 2000, the floor joists of about 30 floors in the two towers had been upgraded to 1-1/2 inch thickness, and construction audit reports suggest that these minimum requirements were met. "

Hehe. Upgraded with what, thermate?. But 30 floors are not enough. We
could use evidence that they had access to most of the floors.
 
Hmm..The "Truthers" are waiting for a logical response from the "Dream Pool" on this one?

"Dream Pool" stands for the pool of people that would qualify to make O.J. Simpsons dream jury. This is because they have an I.Q. just low enough to not fully see and understand all the technical information before them, therefore, they base their verdict on the ignorant belief that Government officials or TV celebrities would do no wrong.....How else can I put it?

:allhail
 
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Is this some sort of proof that it was not a simple upgrade?
Buildings, bridges and such do this type of thing often... upgrade.
New technologies make things safer and stronger, so they... upgrade.
This report came out in 1995, the suggestion to... upgrade.
Bush was not close to in office, and what floors where upgraded?
Seems an important aspect... ;)

And check the ad homs at the door, this is a grown up conversation...
 
Is this some sort of proof that it was not a simple upgrade? This report came out in 1995, the suggestion to... upgrade.
Bush was not close to in office...

It is stated right in the report "NIST has not been able to determine the tecnical basis for the selection of fireproofing material..." got clue?

Council on Foreign Relations was around before Bush was in office... got clue?
 
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Hmm..The "Truthers" are waiting for a logical response from the "Dream Pool" on this one?

"Dream Pool" stands for the pool of people that would qualify to make O.J. Simpsons dream jury. This is because they have an I.Q. just low enough to not fully see and understand all the technical information before them, therefore, they base their verdict on the ignorant belief that Government officials or TV celebrities would do no wrong.....How else can I put it?

So you try to encourage people to post by being an asshole and calling them stupid? :roll:
 
So you try to encourage people to post by being an asshole and calling them stupid? :roll:

I believe the calling people stupid part starts when the mainstream labels legitimate questions to an event like this a "nutcase conspiracy"

All that is being asked by the labeled "truthers" is a congressional look at the overwhelming evidence. Many prominant people who are compelled with their findings have formed large organizations to spread the truth and try and get congress to act and reveiw

To me this raises an eyebrow

Plus Isn't it common sense to hear both sides of a story?
 
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TY.

"Based on a 1995 study, guidelines were issued in 1999 to upgrade the fireproofing requirements for floors undergoing construction or renovation.
By 2000, the floor joists of about 30 floors in the two towers had been upgraded to 1-1/2 inch thickness, and construction audit reports suggest that these minimum requirements were met. "

Hehe. Upgraded with what, thermate?. But 30 floors are not enough. We
could use evidence that they had access to most of the floors.

Could have had access to all floors by allegedly inspecting the fireproofing?

Why an equal 30 floors in each tower and not all?
 
One of Bush's relatives was in charge of security of the WTC
towers at the time. And we all know how loyal to America the Bush
family is. ahem.
 
WTC1, WTC2, have apparently received an upgrade of fireproofing on all the floor joists between 1999-2001.

How is this even possible to get at and upgrade? Hmmmm...would like to hear rational intput.

It is VERY possible.

Areas that receive fireproofing :
- Celeing and floor connecttions between the concrete and window walls
- Top and bottom of fire-escape hallways
- ductwork gets 'insulation' fire protection
- electrical channel passing between floors are sealed with fire-caulking
- All 'fire-stop' walls are sealed with combination plaster/ fire-caulking

Beyond that, in some types of buildings there is a spray-on insulation made from glue and paper to the same effect of asbestos... when used covers ALL ceiling metal in required areas.

The process would roughly be :
- Open affected areas (demolition) (1-5 days per floor depending on how much gets torn off)
- apply fire-protection (1-2 days)
- drywall (1-2 days)
- electrical (if any changes ... 1-7 days)
- Plumbing (if any changes)
- Taping (4-6 days)
- Pain (1-2 days)

So really... even as a lowballed estimate, this type of change-over could take in the area of up to a month or so per floor... depending on the specific circumstances.

What might be the 'flick of a pen' for an architect could reflect 2-3 weeks worth of work once all the trades have gone through. BUT : being an office building much of the higher work could be accomplished simply by moving the ceiling tiles over... so that could also reduce my simplified estimates.

Could have had access to all floors by allegedly inspecting the fireproofing?

An inspector COULD go through all the floors to inspect the fireproofing... but, since the building itself had passed previous inspections, an inspector would only HAVE to go to the floors in which work was done that required inspection (electrical, plumbing, fire-proofing, garbage shafts, sprinklers, brickwork, etc)

Why an equal 30 floors in each tower and not all?

Also a few issues could come into play... perhaps only 30 floors had swapped over from asbestos... which requires specialized removal... perhaps 30 floors were seen as adequate access to plant explosives to make things look like a genuine collapse from fire... or about 50 other legitimate resons.

This is mostly from professional opinion...
 
One of Bush's relatives was in charge of security of the WTC
towers at the time. And we all know how loyal to America the Bush
family is. ahem.

Just a thought....I know that a lot of the rebuilding in Iraq went to Dick Cheney's companies...so I was wondering if he had a connection with the construction company that did the fireproofing upgrades, WTC1, WTC2, in 2000
 
Just a thought....I know that a lot of the rebuilding in Iraq went to Dick Cheney's companies...so I was wondering if he had a connection with the construction company that did the fireproofing upgrades, WTC1, WTC2, in 2000
Ah! Hmm interesting. I'll check after I sleep, if you don't beat me to it. :2razz:
 
Ah! Hmm interesting. I'll check after I sleep, if you don't beat me to it. :2razz:

Just another thought...the part of the pentagon that got hit was also partitioned off and under construction...wondering if there is any connection with the company that "up graded the fireproofing" on WTC1, WTC2 in 2000?
 
Ah! Hmm interesting. I'll check after I sleep, if you don't beat me to it. :2razz:

WOW just found this! Dick Cheney's construction company "Halliburton" was the company doing the construction in the partitioned off area on the pentagon where the plane just happened to hit...there were disputes before as to why his company was awarded no-bid contracts.!!

US Labor Against the War : FBI probes Halliburton's Pentagon contracts

Dick Cheney's company also did the fireproofing upgrades WTC1, WTC2.!!

President Bush's brother Marvin P. Bush's security company named "Securacom" was head of security for WTC1, WTC2, Building #7, and United Airlines and Dulles International Airport!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:shock:
 
Nice you two!
Say do you guys recall that when the 9/11 commission was doing their investigation, they claimed they were set up to fail, listing the very short time they had to do the report as per Bush, and the White House refusing to release information, as well as the CIA, and how the CIA destroyed some video tapes? Remember those?

That whole thing stinks.
 
It is stated right in the report "NIST has not been able to determine the tecnical basis for the selection of fireproofing material..." got clue?

Council on Foreign Relations was around before Bush was in office... got clue?

I am not sure what "got clue?" means...
I assume it is a kinda insult about me not thinking, or whatever though. :lol:

How do you connect the Council on Foreign Relations with the upgrade again,
I seemed to have missed that, and since you think it is so important,
perhaps you will show me the connection? Cool. Thinks.

Also, nobody really wanted to address the common sense aspects of my post...
Figures. ;)
 
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The Council on Foreign Relations is the real government. They pull political strings.

If Haliburton did the fireproofing upgrades, and Cheney was a part of Haliburton, the Bush administration AND active member of the Council on Foreign Relations, then there you have it.
 
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I am not sure what "got clue?" means...
I assume it is a kinda insult about me not thinking, or whatever though. :lol:

How do you connect the Council on Foreign Relations with the upgrade again,
I seemed to have missed that, and since you think it is so important,
perhaps you will show me the connection? Cool. Thinks.

Also, nobody really wanted to address the common sense aspects of my post...
Figures. ;)

"Got Clue" was just something that popped in my head while I was typing and drinking a glass of milk...guess I thought it was funny..:)
 
WOW just found this! Dick Cheney's construction company "Halliburton" was the company doing the construction in the partitioned off area on the pentagon where the plane just happened to hit...there were disputes before as to why his company was awarded no-bid contracts.!!

US Labor Against the War*:*FBI probes Halliburton's Pentagon contracts

Dick Cheney's company also did the fireproofing upgrades WTC1, WTC2.!!

President Bush's brother Marvin P. Bush's security company named "Securacom" was head of security for WTC1, WTC2, Building #7, and United Airlines and Dulles International Airport!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:shock:

Where exactly is the so-called proof that Halliburton had anything to do with the Pentagon repairs or fireproofing at the WTCs??
 
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