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Wow. We just had a Tiananmen Square moment in DC (standing up to dictator trump).

Tangmo said:
Indeed, trying to blame the USA for China's 5000 years of totalitarianism and authoritarianism is a FAIL. All the US did during your mangled time period of overstated events was to let the CCP know we were on the case. We continue to be so of course. There's no changing China from within or from the outside. Their past 40 years have only reinforced this.
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And yet, the China of today is not the same as that of the Cultural Revolution. And there was a period where Chinese internet was not being censored very effectively - when it was routine to bypass it with HTTP tunnels and such. How did that change? Did the U.S. help it or hurt it?

Now with the U.S. giving up so many democratic pretensions, a person starts to go back and think - which country has been rising for the past forty years, and which falling?
 
braindrain said:
And straight to the goalpost move. I can’t say I am surprised.
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No, you were the one who moved the goal post. We were talking about the Epstein CASE not general DOJ bureaucracy stuff like meetings about gun violence. Come on.
The President does not get involved in specific DOJ CASES.
 
CaughtInThe said:
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Looks like a potential Rachel Corrie incident. Fighting for feral children to hunt at will.
 
lynnwinslow said:
No, you were the one who moved the goal post. We were talking about the Epstein CASE not general DOJ bureaucracy stuff like meetings about gun violence. Come on.
The President does not get involved in specific DOJ CASES.
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Right so when Obama heading a meeting with his AG who then immediately went out and made a statement about the the Michael Brown case in Ferguson that wasn’t him getting involved in a specific case. Right. Keep telling yourself that.

But at the end of the day all you are doing is trying, rather pathetically, to excuse the democrats for protecting pedos. Sorry it is not going to work.
 
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braindrain said:
Right so when Obama heading a meeting with his AG who then immediately went out and made a statement about the the Michael Brown case in Ferguson that wasn’t him getting involved in a specific case. Right. Keep telling yourself that.
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That's more bureaucracy! Obama didn't tell the DOJ how to try the case or what to do with evidence. Sheesh.
braindrain said:
But at the end of the day all you are doing is trying, rather pathetically, to excuse the democrats for protecting pedos. Sorry it is not going to work.
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Are you accusing me of supporting protecting pedophiles?
 
lynnwinslow said:
That's more bureaucracy! Obama didn't tell the DOJ how to try the case or what to do with evidence. Sheesh.

Are you accusing me of supporting protecting pedophiles?
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No it’s in regards to a specific case just like you were saying didn’t happen. You really are failing here.

I am accusing you of doing exactly what you are doing. Making excuses for people protecting pedos. Well as long as those people have a D after their name.
 
braindrain said:
No it’s in regards to a specific case just like you were saying didn’t happen. You really are failing here.
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He made an announcement about a case. It's bureaucracy.
braindrain said:
I am accusing you of doing exactly what you are doing. Making excuses for people protecting pedos. Well as long as those people have a D after their name.
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And that's a personal insult. And a lie.

Adios.
 
braindrain said:
No it’s in regards to a specific case just like you were saying didn’t happen. You really are failing here.

I am accusing you of doing exactly what you are doing. Making excuses for people protecting pedos. Well as long as those people have a D after their name.
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I mean, MAGAs protect pedos that are MAGA. So it ain't like there's a high horse here.
 
bythoughts said:
And yet, the China of today is not the same as that of the Cultural Revolution. And there was a period where Chinese internet was not being censored very effectively - when it was routine to bypass it with HTTP tunnels and such. How did that change? Did the U.S. help it or hurt it?

Now with the U.S. giving up so many democratic pretensions, a person starts to go back and think - which country has been rising for the past forty years, and which falling?
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Every China dynasty has failed.

The CCP is a young and nervous dynasty of emperors in their Brooks Bros. business suits and Florsheims. They are stumped about the mess they've got themselves into about Taiwan. Their mercantilist and infrastructure economic model is cooked. Debt to GDP is 305%. Their currency the RMB/Yuan comes from Parker Bros -- as much as the massively corrupt Party likes to have to play with.

Household spending barely breaks 50% of GDP due to production being focused on exports. Uncontrollable deflation reigns as a result and because the people of the People's Republic know Xi Jinping and his ruling faction inside the CCP have made a hash of it, ie, the people are hoarding cash and gold for the crash. The CCP economy and financial sector are experiencing the "major economic adjustment" correction the Party has avoided for all of the past 40 years.

Every China dynasty fails for the same Groundhog Day numbnuts reason over the millennia, which is that when the going gets tough they give more power to the ruling clique that has made a hash of it already. The ruling clique of corrupt idiots with more power drives the dynasty into the dust. Indeed, the dead giveaway for the demise of the young, nervous and massively corrupt CCP dynasty is that Xi has declared himself emperor for life. Which by his own action marks Xi as yet another Last Emperor.

China Rinse & Repeat ad infinitum. In China each and every dynasty is Groundhog Day.
 
bongsaway said:
There is no high rate of crime in the capitol. I suggest red states look at their own cities and stop worrying about what blue states are doing. All that is showing is that you want to tell everyone what to do and how to act, meaning, the gop wants to rule, not govern.
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It didn't take long for Democrats to channel their inner John C Calhoun.
 
Ikari said:
I mean, MAGAs protect pedos that are MAGA. So it ain't like there's a high horse here.
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And you will notice that I not only said both sides are doing it and no matter who is doing it is disgraceful.
 
Ikari said:
I'm sure there have been plenty of supporters of communism who have pretended they haven't supported communism.
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I know you think pretending you don’t know what communism is is clever but it’s really kinda sad.
 
bongsaway said:
Are you implying red states are all crime free?
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I am implying that progressives have suddenly gone all states rights.
I regret to say that I suspect they are not sincere in this conversion.
 
Athanasius68 said:
I am implying that progressives have suddenly gone all states rights.
I regret to say that I suspect they are not sincere in this conversion.
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We aren't the defenders of states rights, you don't hear us, in general using that phrase but the right has no problem using it as a weapon in the states they control, like Texas. When you guys are trying to steal seats in Texas, you have some big balls talking about sincerity. Unreal.
 
bongsaway said:
We aren't the defenders of states rights, you don't hear us, in general using that phrase but the right has no problem using it as a weapon in the states they control, like Texas. When you guys are trying to steal seats in Texas, you have some big balls talking about sincerity. Unreal.
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Shrug.
Texas will have to redistrict anyhow because the current arrangements violate federal law.
 
bongsaway said:
Is it? No red cities have higher murder rates? Who are you kidding?
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No red cities have lower murder rates than DC?

Really? No one believes you.

Dc is just bad, but not the worst, I guess. Could live in Somalia.
 
Metric Mouse said:
No red cities have lower murder rates than DC?

Really? No one believes you.

Dc is just bad, but not the worst, I guess. Could live in Somalia.
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You are replying to a question I didn't ask, why?
Multiple Republican-controlled states have cities with higher murder rates than Washington, D.C., and many of these cities are led by Democratic officials. A CNN analysis of 2024 data highlighted cities in Republican-led states with higher murder rates than D.C., and a 2025 Axios report found that 13 of the 20 U.S. cities with the highest murder rates were in Republican-controlled states.
According to these reports, some cities in Republican-controlled states with higher murder rates than D.C. include:
  • Jackson, Mississippi: Led by a Democratic mayor, Jackson had the nation's highest homicide rate in 2024, with about 77 homicides per 100,000 residents. This is significantly higher than D.C.'s 2024 rate of about 27 per 100,000.
  • Memphis, Tennessee: In 2024, Memphis, led by a Democratic mayor, had a murder rate almost three times higher than D.C.'s.
  • Shreveport, Louisiana: This city, mentioned in a February 2024 report by the centrist think tank Third Way, had a murder rate roughly eight times higher than D.C.'s in 2023.
  • Cities in Republican-led states: According to a 2025 Axios report, 13 of the 20 U.S. cities with the highest murder rates in 2024 were in Republican-led states.
 
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