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Abortion is never going to be made illegal again. it's a nice fantasy, though.
I see no reason to further punish the lady who was raped, so yeah. In fact it should be allowed even if the rape was reported an untimely manner. Actual People > Potential People.
Abortion is murder because it ends the life of another human being. Rape is no exception. The child can't help the fact that it was conceived through a horrible crime, but why should it also pay the ultimate price? Two wrongs don't make a right.
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I appreciate your take on this one Digs.
I hope you can appreciate mine (the differences between an invited pregnancy and one forced - and the right she has to defend herself)... or at least take the time to try and understand it.
--Chuz.
It all depends on why we are against abortion, if it's because we believe the fetus has a right to life, then that right is universal regardless of the conception circumstances. I understand your take on things and I appreciate it, but I must disagree because I think even a baby conceived through rape has the right to be born.
Just like the title says.
It's the year ???? and the anti-abortion movement has finally succeeded in banning elective abortions; making them illegal.
The United States Supreme Court has ruled that 'personhood' begins at conception and that children while in the womb have a 14th Amendment right to their lives, due process and equal protection under the law.
The Constitution remains as it is currently worded.
Would you demand and support an exception to the ban for cases where a woman was raped and she becomes pregnant?
It all depends on why we are against abortion, if it's because we believe the fetus has a right to life, then that right is universal regardless of the conception circumstances. I understand your take on things and I appreciate it, but I must disagree because I think even a baby conceived through rape has the right to be born.
If the supreme court ruled that personhood began at conception then there should not be a rape exception. The ZEF committed no crime and therefore there is no basis on which to take away its life, which is protected by the 14th amendment.
Does a baby conceived by rape have the right (clearly not intentional) to kill the mother?
Do you support abortions when necessary to save the woman's life?
Do you see where I am going with this?
In a 'life of the mother' abortion,... the child has no 'intent' to kill or harm the mother either,... but she has the right to abort to save her life.
Likewise when a child (pregnancy) is forced upon her against her will...
Don't you see?
It's the rapist who is ultimately responsible for the child's death.
And if the woman can be (or wants to be) convinced to have the child regardless? Oh my GAWD! Tell me what she needs and I will gladly try to help her. But if she can't do it,... it is wrong, and more importantly 'Un_Constitutional' to force her.
That said,... do you not agree that the longer the woman waits to report the rape (talking weeks not minutes here),... the more she 'consents' to the conditions of her pregnancy?
Does a baby conceived by rape have the right (clearly not intentional) to kill the mother?
Do you support abortions when necessary to save the woman's life?
Do you see where I am going with this?
In a 'life of the mother' abortion,... the child has no 'intent' to kill or harm the mother either,... but she has the right to abort to save her life.
Likewise when a child (pregnancy) is forced upon her against her will...
Presumably everyone who supports abortion rights would support such a thing, so you're basically asking abortion opponents if there should be a rape exception. Or am I missing something?
That being said, the thought of implied consent due to inaction after rape is a completely disgusting concept.
It would be disgusting.
TRUE.
But to justify the killing of a child that resulted from a rape that could have been,.. possibly SHOULD have been reported much sooner would be pretty disgusting as well.
I do, but only because in this instance it is self defense. The death is justified solely because the pregnancy would be fatal for both the mother and child. It is essentially preserving life by taking another life away. This is self defense and is totally different from aborting a child conceived through rape.Does a baby conceived by rape have the right (clearly not intentional) to kill the mother?
Do you support abortions when necessary to save the woman's life?
Do you see where I am going with this?
In a 'life of the mother' abortion,... the child has no 'intent' to kill or harm the mother either,... but she has the right to abort to save her life.
Likewise when a child (pregnancy) is forced upon her against her will...
Don't you see?
It's the rapist who is ultimately responsible for the child's death.
And if the woman can be (or wants to be) convinced to have the child regardless? Oh my GAWD! Tell me what she needs and I will gladly try to help her. But if she can't do it,... it is wrong, and more importantly 'Un_Constitutional' to force her.
Like I said. Actual person > potential person.
So why does she NOT have the right to abort when a rape has not occurred? That's what you need to explain. On what basis do you oppose abortion in normal cases? That's what is completely missing from you argument, every time. What is it you believe that makes you want to ban abortion for those who are not raped?
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