Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

maquiscat said:

They don't not want it because they are not taught that it's "bad". Our society holds it to be so, but theirs does not. It runs sort of along the same line as the incest thing. If the siblings do not grow up together, the aversion does not develop. For those of us for whom the aversion has developed (vast majority), we get squicked at the idea that they can even possibility be attracted to each other. Or maybe spankings are a better parallel for you. There are many who see the clear line between spankings and beatings, and because they were not taught spankings were "bad" or "traumatic" they are not traumatized by the spankings they received. I certainly haven't been.

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It doesn't have to be traumatic to not be consensual. Would you say when you were spanked as a kid it was consensual? You didn't enjoy it, but it had a purpose of instilling discipline and respect for rules. With this tribe, their age and cultural indoctrination makes consent quite problematic and for what purpose? Is there any evidence that this practice is beneficial? If not then i have to say, it's really hard to justify treating kids that way.

Cardinal said:

First, nobody knows the percentage of gay people, only those who have identified themselves as such. Second, what are you basing the rest of your post on? In any case, any numbers you've come up with is a misunderstand of the fact that the primary factor pedophiles are fixated on is age, a concept you seem to have no seriously problem understanding when talking about male-on-female-child acts ("pedophilia"), but seem to lose the thread of when discussing male-on-male-child acts ("homosexuality").

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There are very few studies on pedophiles, for one thing. The studies and talking points I've seen don't seem to have much on the percentages of girls and boys molested---by men some 96% of the time.

Again, it matters to me not if the pedophile was a man, a woman, a homosexual, a bisexual, a transgender or space alien----all should be hanged in the same manner. However, the added "badness" of a homosexual act makes the crime more henious. Gernerally a male on boy rape would be more traumatic and invasive than a woman on girl rape. Usually if a female is part of an act of pedophilia---she is just a willing partner in the crime.

But, anyway---hang them all.

CaptainCourtesy said:

These are not facts and are not supported by any research whatsoever. Homosexuals commit acts of pedophilia either similar or LESS than their statistical population. THAT'S what research shows.

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What research? I don't see anything.

What percent of pedophiles rape boys?

Know that all men who rape boys are commiting homosexual acts---and are therefore homosexuals and/or bisexuals.

CaptainCourtesy said:

1) The APA declassified homosexuality as a disorder after research that clearly demonstrated this was finally allowed to be examined. Previously, the anti-gay contingent in the APA did what they could to prevent this research from being presented.
2) All research shows that the vast majority of men who molest boys are HETEROsexuals. Just because the research destroys your anti-gay agenda really doesn't matter to me. You can stay in denial about it, but it doesn't alter that your position is pure folly.
3) You obviously don't know what homosexuality is. It is not about sex with children. Please educate yourself on these concepts.

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Your defense of the APA is as humorous as the APA itself.

The APA and the Psychiatric industry is driven by a political adenga---not a scientific one.

I'll go by what the dictonary defines as homosexuality, and not what your junk science says.

Your attempts at political re-education I'll gladly throw into the garbage dumpster.

CaptainCourtesy said:

Since being gay is neither harmful nor distressing to the individual who is gay, you are, of course, incorrect.

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Sounds distressing to me.

Suicide among LGBT youth











"Researchers have found that attempted suicide rates and suicidal ideation among lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, and questioning (LGBTQQ) youth is comparatively higher than among the general population.[1][2][3][4][5][6] LGBT teens and young adults have one of the highest rates of suicide attempts."

Suicide among LGBT youth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CaptainCourtesy said:

No they are not. You don't understand the difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior. Please learn something about this before posting such inaccurate information.

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Please look at a dictionary---not an occult science organization.

CaptainCourtesy said:

Being attracted to the same sex is not deviant and not a disorder as it causes no harm nor distress. That's the problem with your premise. It is false at it's foundation.

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Sounds deviant to me.

"Deviant behavior may refer to
Deviance (sociology), actions or behaviors that violate social norms"

Deviant behavior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CaptainCourtesy said:

Yup, Certainly does. Religious or cultural opinion on homosexuality is irrelevant when it comes to whether it is a disorder or not.

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So you think the Mormons here in the US that were marrying 12 year old girls should not be in prison I guess.

CaptainCourtesy said:

In uneducated conservatives anti-gay land, everything is black and white... and since we know this is false, it demonstrates just how easily conservatives are proven wrong on this issue... kinda like you've been proven wrong.



You are from an uneducated world. You don't understand how sexual orientation and sexual behavior work and how the two are different concepts. You don't understand that sexual attraction has nothing to do with attraction to children... that this is mutually exclusive to sexual orientation.



No, since morality is relative, your comment above is meaningless.

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Sexual orientation is another Lib-Com buzz word.

The APA said pedophilia was a sexual orientation one day, and said it wasn't the next. So not even the APA can agree on what sexaul orientation even encompasses.

Sell your snake oil to someone else.

CaptainCourtesy said:

The rapes of male children by makes are done primarily by heterosexuals. What you have been posting on this issue demonstrates a decided lack of education on sexuality and demonstrates nothing but an anti-gay agenda. Here is some research that demonstrates that you don't know what you are talking about:

Are Children at Risk for Sexual Abuse by Homosexuals?

In this study, of 269 children who had been abused (including 76 boys) only TWO were homosexual. The research determined that this was within the context of the percentage of homosexual population or LESS.

http://www.robinjwilson.com/articles/freund%201989%20erotic%20age%20pref.pdf

In this study, homosexual males who were attracted to adults of the same sex, and heterosexual males who were attracted to adults of the opposite sex were shown erotic pictures of male children. There was NO difference between the sexual stimulation of both groups.

So, what have we learned from this... other than you don't know what you are talking about? We have learned that there is a difference between sexual attraction to adults and sexual attraction to children and that the two do NOT connect. We have learned that male homosexuals molest boys at either the same percentage as there are homosexuals in the population or LESS. In essence, we have learned that nothing you have said has an credibility, and it just comes from an uneducated conservative anti-gay position. You have now been taught the facts. You're welcome.

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You still haven't given the hard figures on what percentage of pedophillic victims are boys and what percent girls.

As I go by the common English lanuguage, ANY male on boy sexual act would automatically make the aggressor a homosexual.

I do not, and will not buy your political sentiments that males who rape boys are not actual homosexuals. This is done for a pure political agenda of promoting homosexuality and for the decriminalization of pedophillic acts.

A person can have homosexual desires or thoughts or impulses---but that does not make them a bona-fide homosexual under they physically undertake the act.

joG said:

It can also be perfectly legal, as it seems to have been in Delaware in 1895, where according to the New York Times the age of consent seems to have been 7.

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Link, and even so. Who cares. This is 2014 not 1895.

CRUE CAB said:

Link, and even so. Who cares. This is 2014 not 1895.

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True. It is a different decade. But does that really mean much? Humans are built about the same and considering the fact that even now the age of consent varies strongly from country to country? I don't think much of toughy feely arguments like I don't like pedophiles. I would like to know why you think that sex harms children of say 11 or 12 but not the 13 years old?

joG said:

True. It is a different decade. But does that really mean much? Humans are built about the same and considering the fact that even now the age of consent varies strongly from country to country? I don't think much of toughy feely arguments like I don't like pedophiles. I would like to know why you think that sex harms children of say 11 or 12 but not the 13 years old?

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I suppose a line has to be drawn somewhere? That's all I can think. But if any adult engages in sex with a minor, they need to go to jail for a very long time.

CRUE CAB said:

I suppose a line has to be drawn somewhere? That's all I can think. But if any adult engages in sex with a minor, they need to go to jail for a very long time.

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That is absolutely right, if it indeed harms the child. There is reason to believe that this is not the case, when the surrounding society does not vilify such practice. If so, we would be making a mistake in vilifying the behavior. Maybe a little like we might be off on multiple husband marriages.

joG said:

That is absolutely right, if it indeed harms the child. There is reason to believe that this is not the case, when the surrounding society does not vilify such practice. If so, we would be making a mistake in vilifying the behavior. Maybe a little like we might be off on multiple husband marriages.

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So you are justifying child rape?

CRUE CAB said:

So you are justifying child rape?

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I don't think so. I am just wondering, if we have got the criminalization right. Statutory rape is a very severe crime and should not be applied to actions that do not warrant it. If, you see, we are wrong, we are harming the children and the pedophile alike.

Flamethrower said:

There are very few studies on pedophiles, for one thing. The studies and talking points I've seen don't seem to have much on the percentages of girls and boys molested---by men some 96% of the time.

Again, it matters to me not if the pedophile was a man, a woman, a homosexual, a bisexual, a transgender or space alien----all should be hanged in the same manner. However, the added "badness" of a homosexual act makes the crime more henious. Gernerally a male on boy rape would be more traumatic and invasive than a woman on girl rape. Usually if a female is part of an act of pedophilia---she is just a willing partner in the crime.

But, anyway---hang them all.

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You heard it here first, folks. If a girl was molested by a man, that's certainly bad, but count your blessings she wasn't molested by a woman, or that she wasn't a boy molested by a man.

lifeisshort said:

Sounds distressing to me.

Suicide among LGBT youth

"Researchers have found that attempted suicide rates and suicidal ideation among lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, and questioning (LGBTQQ) youth is comparatively higher than among the general population.[1][2][3][4][5][6] LGBT teens and young adults have one of the highest rates of suicide attempts."

Suicide among LGBT youth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Sure, there is still an awful lot of anti gay hatred and bigotry, so kids who come out or are found out as gay often suffer emotional and/or physical abuse, from their friends, family, society, their church, etc. We see hateful anti-gay bigotry from organizations like FRC, and politicians who kiss the rings of the bigots at FRC.... etc. etc.....

Flamethrower said:

As I go by the common English lanuguage, ANY male on boy sexual act would automatically make the aggressor a homosexual.

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It would make the aggressor a pedophile. Different words are used to describe different things. It's a wonderful thing about language! Embrace it!

I do not, and will not buy your political sentiments that males who rape boys are not actual homosexuals. This is done for a pure political agenda of promoting homosexuality and for the decriminalization of pedophillic acts.

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You'd have a point if someone here was conflating your normal heterosexual desires with a male who rapes a female child, but no one is doing that. And NO ONE here has even hinted that pedophilia should be decriminalized.

A person can have homosexual desires or thoughts or impulses---but that does not make them a bona-fide homosexual under they physically undertake the act.

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You'll have to tell us where Dr. Flamethrower has published this novel sexual orientation classification system. LMAO....

Goodness, there are too many women who in good faith married a homosexual man who only pretended to be heterosexual (and vice versa), and lots of wreckage in the wake of such unions. The person's sexual orientation didn't change, but they did manage to conceal it for a while.

Wait, what? I must be readings this wrong bc it sounds like you're saying the woman is willing and isn't a victim?

Usually if a female is part of an act of pedophilia---she is just a willing partner in the crime.

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herenow1 said:

Wait, what? I must be readings this wrong bc it sounds like you're saying the woman is willing and isn't a victim?

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You didn't use the quote feature, or you did but deleted the quote brackets. Which post was this?

Cardinal said:

You didn't use the quote feature, or you did but deleted the quote brackets. Which post was this?

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Oops, flamethrower. Couldn't find his original post but someone else quoted it.

Flamethrower said:

There are very few studies on pedophiles, for one thing. The studies and talking points I've seen don't seem to have much on the percentages of girls and boys molested---by men some 96% of the time.

Again, it matters to me not if the pedophile was a man, a woman, a homosexual, a bisexual, a transgender or space alien----all should be hanged in the same manner. However, the added "badness" of a homosexual act makes the crime more henious. Gernerally a male on boy rape would be more traumatic and invasive than a woman on girl rape. Usually if a female is part of an act of pedophilia---she is just a willing partner in the crime.

But, anyway---hang them all.

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I did the same "WTF???!!!" when reading it too...

JasperL said:

I did the same "WTF???!!!" when reading it too...

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Oh, what the hell, man, I was so hung up on the statement that man-on-girl rape is less traumatic than the alternatives that I actually missed the worst part of his post. My brain said "Well, the rest of the post can't get any worse than this."

Jesus.

JasperL said:

It would make the aggressor a pedophile. Different words are used to describe different things. It's a wonderful thing about language! Embrace it!



You'd have a point if someone here was conflating your normal heterosexual desires with a male who rapes a female child, but no one is doing that. And NO ONE here has even hinted that pedophilia should be decriminalized.



You'll have to tell us where Dr. Flamethrower has published this novel sexual orientation classification system. LMAO....

Goodness, there are too many women who in good faith married a homosexual man who only pretended to be heterosexual (and vice versa), and lots of wreckage in the wake of such unions. The person's sexual orientation didn't change, but they did manage to conceal it for a while.

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Here it is again:

Homosexual:



: of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex


2

: of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex

Homosexual - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

So a male man who has sex with a male boy has done a homosexual act and by the very meaning of the word itself---makes the man a homosexual.

Maybe no one in this forum may be saying they don't want pedophilia decriminalized, however, there are many out there that do:

ATHENS, Greece (AP) — Greek disability groups expressed anger Monday at a government decision to expand a list of state-recognized disability categories to include pedophiles, exhibitionists and kleptomaniacs

Furor in Greece over pedophilia as a disability

August 2, 2013 (Renewamerica.com) – Who could've seen this coming? Well, those of us who can see the "logical" end results of the radical homosexual movement, that's who. With homosexual activists on the march throughout our government, military, schools and society in general, many of us have warned that their push for special "rights" would – besides trample on the freedoms of speech, religion and association of those who oppose them – inevitably lead to demands by other sexual deviants, like pedophiles, for their own societal affirmation.

In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality from its list of mental disorders. A group of psychiatrists with B4U-Act recently held a symposium proposing a new definition of pedophilia in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders of the APA.

B4U-Act calls pedophiles "minor-attracted people." The organization's website states its purpose is to, "help mental health professionals learn more about attraction to minors and to consider the effects of stereotyping, stigma and fear."

In 1998 The APA issued a report claiming "that the 'negative potential' of adult sex with children was 'overstated' and that 'the vast majority of both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from childhood sexual abuse experiences."

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/p...truth-and-dignity-want-same-rights-as-homosex

Isn't that special! It's really not that bad for a child to be raped by an adult. Don't you agree?

Sexual orientation, as I've said earlier is just a buzz word---an attempt to wipe away any moral stigma related to any devient sexual act.

Don't you agree with MABLA and B4UAct and the APA radicals that pedophilia is just a "sexual orientation" and that all sexual orientations are good?