World's largest marine reserve created off Hawaii

Napoleon · Aug 28, 2016

Tim the plumber said:
What the hell do you think happens to food prices when you take loads of it off the market to make biofuel???????

The poor starve slowly off camera.

Except that isn't really what is happening. It is true that food waste is used to produce biofuel, but emphasis on the word waste. They're using things that either never made it to market or did and was subsequently thrown into the garbage. So the bone you want to pick is really with the fact that many billions of tons of edible food are being thrown into the trash every year not with the people doing something with that waste.

Blue_State · Aug 28, 2016

QuadpolarNutjob said:
World's largest marine reserve created off Hawaii - BBC News

"The designation bans commercial fishing and any new mining."

"Greenpeace also hailed what it called a "bold decision" that will ban commercial fishing and mineral extraction in the region."

what a legacy, closing 1,500,000 sq-km of American territory to any and all economic activity.

my question: should the president be allowed to ban economic activity in an area of American territory without congressional approval? if so, does the president have the power to do this anywhere in the nation? what's more important, the environment or the economy?

Don't they go hand and hand...environment and economy?

Opopanax · Aug 28, 2016

Patrickt said:
True, and the environmentalists lied to ban DDT and condemned millions to death and economies to ruin. And the animal rights fanatics insist that the last vestige of slavery, what some call pet ownership, has to be abolished. And the global warming hysterics will lie to increase income redistribution as a way to fight global warming.

When you get right down to it, the dairy farmers care more about their cows than the environmentalists care about people.

Man, you love your stereotypes and straw men.

Between "The unexamined life is not worth living" and "Ignorance is bliss," it's obvious you've chosen the latter.

As to the poll in the OP, I didn't vote. We can have both.

Tim the plumber · Aug 28, 2016

Patrickt said:
So, tell me what this biofuel is that starving people are being denied. Are people driving cars on rice and corn? Are countries building power plants that run on Brussels Sprouts and turnips? Explain the massive use of biofuels that are causing people to starve.

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/biofuelsAndWorldHunger.php

This was the first site that I found and it says 30 million into hunger and 100 million into poverty.

I have no clue as to how they arrived at such low figures. The poorest billion people live on less than $1.25 a day. These are mostly landless. Those with land, enough to live off, are the next billion up. The impact of useing corn and other food stuffs for making fuel for cars has been a price rise of between 40% and 70%.

Obviously I consider it highly unlikely that only 100 million people are pushed into a situation where they are unable to afford to send their kids to school by the difference in food costs due to this. I may be wrong. I hope so. But still 100 million people into abject poverty and 30 million into hunger.... well done Greenpeace.

Any chance of a trial for crimes against humanity? I doubt it as it's only poor people being affected and why would politicains care about them?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2008/apr/22/biofuel.crisis

Tim the plumber · Aug 28, 2016

Napoleon said:
Except that isn't really what is happening. It is true that food waste is used to produce biofuel, but emphasis on the word waste. They're using things that either never made it to market or did and was subsequently thrown into the garbage. So the bone you want to pick is really with the fact that many billions of tons of edible food are being thrown into the trash every year not with the people doing something with that waste.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jan/22/quarter-us-grain-biofuels-food

Wake up!

One quarter of US grain crops fed to cars - not people, new figures show

apdst · Aug 28, 2016

TheGoverness said:
Without the environment, we'd have no economy.

Without an economy we can't afford to take care of the environment.

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