World's first AI doctor clinic now open in Saudi Arabia

[aociswundumho]

World's first AI doctor clinic now open in Saudi Arabia

Synyi AI, a Chinese startup, has initiated the world's first artificial intelligence clinic in Saudi Arabia for patient diagnosis.

www.newsbytesapp.com

Saudi Arabia Revolutionizes Healthcare with First AI Doctor Clinic

A Chinese startup has launched the world’s first AI-powered clinic in Saudi Arabia, revolutionizing how patients receive medical care. Synyi AI, a

www.leaders-mena.com

This is very exciting stuff.

Patients at the AI clinic describe their symptoms on a tablet computer. Dr. Hua then asks follow-up questions and analyzes data and images like cardiograms and X-rays, with the help of human assistants.
After the consultation, Dr. Hua provides a treatment plan, which is reviewed and approved by a traditional human doctor, without seeing the patients in person.
This unique approach combines AI tech with human oversight to ensure accurate diagnoses and treatment plans for patients.

This will go on for a while until it's pretty clear that the human doctor is adding nothing of value and will be discarded to reduce cost.

Synyi AI's tech has shown an error rate of less than 0.3% in tests, the company's CEO Zhang Shaodian said. "What AI has done in the past is assist doctors, but now we are taking the final step of letting AI diagnose and treat patients directly," he added.

 

[ataraxia]

If AI can put doctors out of business, it can put everyone out of business.

 

[aociswundumho]

If AI can put doctors out of business, it can put everyone out of business.

Doctors are the most overpaid profession on the planet.

 

[ataraxia]

Doctors are the most overpaid profession on the planet.

I don’t think you have an appreciation for the level of stamina, sacrifice, and hard work It takes to become one.

How much do you think someone should get paid to do 18 hour surgical procedures on someone’s heart or brain and handle the complications postoperatively?

But regardless, if it can be done for them, it will happen for everyone else too.

You’re talking about either no one having a job, or a kind of restructuring of society that we can’t even begin to imagine right now. I’m not sure it’s going to be a pretty picture either way.

 

[aociswundumho]

I don’t think you have an appreciation for the level of stamina, sacrifice, and hard work It takes to become one.

How much do you think someone should get paid to do 18 hour surgical procedures on someone’s heart or brain and handle the complications postoperatively?

But regardless, if it can be done for them, it will happen for everyone else too.

You’re talking about either no one having a job, or a kind of restructuring of society that we can’t even begin to imagine right now. I’m not sure it’s going to be a pretty picture either way.

So you believe in both the fixed-pie fallacy and the lump of labor fallacy, both of which assume things like wealth and opportunity can't grow despite thousands of years of human history proving the exact opposite.

You must be a member of the party of science.

 

[Sweden]

But will AI be able to cut off peoples' heads? Or at least decide wh gets the chop? The only industry in which SA is the world leader,

 

[spud_meister]

World's first AI doctor clinic now open in Saudi Arabia

Synyi AI, a Chinese startup, has initiated the world's first artificial intelligence clinic in Saudi Arabia for patient diagnosis.

www.newsbytesapp.com

Saudi Arabia Revolutionizes Healthcare with First AI Doctor Clinic

A Chinese startup has launched the world’s first AI-powered clinic in Saudi Arabia, revolutionizing how patients receive medical care. Synyi AI, a

www.leaders-mena.com

This is very exciting stuff.



This will go on for a while until it's pretty clear that the human doctor is adding nothing of value and will be discarded to reduce cost.



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I'm curious how you believe a statistical language model is replacing human doctors? Do you want your medical issued diagnosed based on what appears most likely in a statistical model of medical language?

 

[aociswundumho]

I'm curious how you believe a statistical language model is replacing human doctors?

Doctors diagnose medical issues by analyzing symptoms and test results to figure out what’s most likely wrong with you. For instance, chest pain might mean indigestion, anxiety, or a heart attack - so the doctor weighs the evidence and makes an educated guess based on probabilities.

This kind of probabilistic reasoning is where AI shines. It can sift through millions of cases and medical records in seconds, spotting patterns no human could. It’s not just faster, it’s hugely scalable. AI has the potential to bring quality healthcare to billions of people who currently have none.

But my guess is you don't give two shits about the results, no matter how amazing they will be.

 

[ataraxia]

Doctors diagnose medical issues by analyzing symptoms and test results to figure out what’s most likely wrong with you. For instance, chest pain might mean indigestion, anxiety, or a heart attack - so the doctor weighs the evidence and makes an educated guess based on probabilities.

This kind of probabilistic reasoning is where AI shines. It can sift through millions of cases and medical records in seconds, spotting patterns no human could. It’s not just faster, it’s hugely scalable. AI has the potential to bring quality healthcare to billions of people who currently have none.

But my guess is you don't give two shits about the results, no matter how amazing they will be.

I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding the concern. I readily admit that AI may be able to substitute doctors.

My point is that if it can substitute doctors, it can substitute everyone. This is no longer a matter of freeing up humans to do things that humans do best. There will be nothing that humans do better. Anything they can do, AI will do better. That’s the difference between this and previous technologic revolutions.

 

[spud_meister]

Doctors diagnose medical issues by analyzing symptoms and test results to figure out what’s most likely wrong with you. For instance, chest pain might mean indigestion, anxiety, or a heart attack - so the doctor weighs the evidence and makes an educated guess based on probabilities.

Doctors have knowledge. Doctors reach a diagnosis through reasoning. An AI has a statistical analysis of words, it's diagnosis is based on whether 'syphilis' or 'indigestion' appears more frequently in whatever human-generated training data is fed to it.

This kind of probabilistic reasoning is where AI shines. It can sift through millions of cases and medical records in seconds, spotting patterns no human could. It’s not just faster, it’s hugely scalable. AI has the potential to bring quality healthcare to billions of people who currently have none.

You've got your tongue so far up a probabilistic arsehole that you actually think it's gonna be easier to build and maintain the massive amount of data-centers, and requisite power generation and fresh-water usage, and computer interface, than to simply train and fund actual ****ing doctors? It's infinitely scalable only so long as you don't run out of rare earth mineral, fossil fuels, or fresh water, all famously infinite materials.

But my guess is you don't give two shits about the results, no matter how amazing they will be.

Building a medical Roomba for rich Saudis isn't going to bring healthcare to the literal slaves that build the medical center it's located in. How many doctors do you think the $200 million of funding could bring to impoverished communities? Hell, you could end world hunger several times over with the amount of money sunk into AI in 2024.

 

[aociswundumho]

Doctors have knowledge. Doctors reach a diagnosis through reasoning. An AI has a statistical analysis of words, it's diagnosis is based on whether 'syphilis' or 'indigestion' appears more frequently in whatever human-generated training data is fed to it.

When AI detects lung cancer from CT scans, it’s typically using computer vision models, not large language models:

Artificial Intelligence system spots lung cancer before radiologists

Google and Northwestern scientists show precision of new deep learning system to predict lung cancer.

news.northwestern.edu

You've got your tongue so far up a probabilistic arsehole that you actually think it's gonna be easier to build and maintain the massive amount of data-centers, and requisite power generation and fresh-water usage, and computer interface, than to simply train and fund actual ****ing doctors? It's infinitely scalable only so long as you don't run out of rare earth mineral, fossil fuels, or fresh water, all famously infinite materials.

When it comes to something like image analysis one AI doctor can do the work of a thousand human doctors. This will drastically lower the price of medical care. Remember, we are still in the infancy of this revolutionary technology.

Building a medical Roomba for rich Saudis isn't going to bring healthcare to the literal slaves that build the medical center it's located in. How many doctors do you think the $200 million of funding could bring to impoverished communities? Hell, you could end world hunger several times over with the amount of money sunk into AI in 2024.

At this point that would be a waste of money. Jensen Huang recently argued that young people should not bother to learn to code, because AI is already doing it better and cheaper. It's reasonable to presume this will be true for doctor as well in the very near future.

 

[spud_meister]

When AI detects lung cancer from CT scans, it’s typically using computer vision models, not large language models:

Artificial Intelligence system spots lung cancer before radiologists

Google and Northwestern scientists show precision of new deep learning system to predict lung cancer.

news.northwestern.edu

Which is why this is extra stupid:

https://www.synyi.com/en/product-categories/13.html#product-35

Localized LLM Deployment​

Locally deployed proprietary large-language models are utilized, which is customized with region-specific medical knowledge, local languages, and cultural nuances, providing tailored and accurate medical services that are well - adapted to the local context.

When it comes to something like image analysis one AI doctor can do the work of a thousand human doctors. This will drastically lower the price of medical care. Remember, we are still in the infancy of this revolutionary technology.



At this point that would be a waste of money. Jensen Huang recently argued that young people should not bother to learn to code, because AI is already doing it better and cheaper. It's reasonable to presume this will be true for doctor as well in the very near future.

Wow, people should suffer now because a technology in its infancy might replace actual doctors one day.

 

[aociswundumho]

Wow, people should suffer now because a technology in its infancy might replace actual doctors one day.

Who exactly are you referring to?

 

[OlNate]

World's first AI doctor clinic now open in Saudi Arabia

Synyi AI, a Chinese startup, has initiated the world's first artificial intelligence clinic in Saudi Arabia for patient diagnosis.

www.newsbytesapp.com

Saudi Arabia Revolutionizes Healthcare with First AI Doctor Clinic

A Chinese startup has launched the world’s first AI-powered clinic in Saudi Arabia, revolutionizing how patients receive medical care. Synyi AI, a

www.leaders-mena.com

This is very exciting stuff.



This will go on for a while until it's pretty clear that the human doctor is adding nothing of value and will be discarded to reduce cost.



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So, this is exciting stuff, because in certain areas AI can catch things humans can't, or they do a better job / demonstrate a better success rate.

However, it is important to note from the article that the list of conditions it can work on is pretty limited as of right now. Not being a doctor, but being someone who uses AI a lot, I would suspect that certain conditions fit better with AI's current capabilities than others.

It's also important to note that diagnosis is not the only part of a doctor's job. While some surgeries are becoming more and more machine driven, there is definitely still the need for skilled human hands.

I don't think doctors need to worry about their jobs just yet, but if AI and robotics continue to evolve, which is inevitable, and if it can be demonstrated that more humans can be helped through this technology, with better results, then this is definitely a good thing - something I can easily say without having an axe to grind against doctors.

 

[Bodi]

World's first AI doctor clinic now open in Saudi Arabia

Synyi AI, a Chinese startup, has initiated the world's first artificial intelligence clinic in Saudi Arabia for patient diagnosis.

www.newsbytesapp.com

Saudi Arabia Revolutionizes Healthcare with First AI Doctor Clinic

A Chinese startup has launched the world’s first AI-powered clinic in Saudi Arabia, revolutionizing how patients receive medical care. Synyi AI, a

www.leaders-mena.com

This is very exciting stuff.



This will go on for a while until it's pretty clear that the human doctor is adding nothing of value and will be discarded to reduce cost.



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LOL... opposite... could you imagine AI not being able to see or touch the patient. Not seeing them in person. Not listening to them, seeing how they react, etc. I wouldn't trust an AI at all... maybe if it is a Tri-Corder and Bones is overseeing it, or soemthing./