Willoughby
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beyondtherim55008@yahoo.c said:I kinda like the stories the media gives, like a guy who has collected over 500 baseball type hats, or a grandma who actually eats her home grown pumpkins raw; I live for these stories:shock:
Billo_Really said:The media is 100% conservatively biased. Mr. O, Beltway Boys, Joe Scarborough, etc. are all part of the smoke screen to deflect attention away from the real issues and problems facing our country. And if there is anyone that chooses to question this, then why wasn't DSM more prominant in the news. It is totally authentic. It is an atom bomb of information from the inner workings of the Administration. But hardly a mention. All over the world it was the biggest story for weeks. Then the story was "how come it ain't a big story in the US?" Because the media is biased towards conservatives and most American's are too narcissistic to care.
Billo_Really said:The media is 100% conservatively biased. Mr. O, Beltway Boys, Joe Scarborough, etc. are all part of the smoke screen to deflect attention away from the real issues and problems facing our country. And if there is anyone that chooses to question this, then why wasn't DSM more prominant in the news. It is totally authentic. It is an atom bomb of information from the inner workings of the Administration. But hardly a mention. All over the world it was the biggest story for weeks. Then the story was "how come it ain't a big story in the US?" Because the media is biased towards conservatives and most American's are too narcissistic to care.
Maybe 100% is too much the other way. But your right, the media has let us down. And there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans. They both answer to the same class of people. All the hoop and hollering about the Patriot Act was a smoke screen. I new they were going to renew it. When they voted on whether to go on with the war, I think only 4 people in all of Congress voted "no." They talk a lot of s.h.i.t, but their not fooling anybody. Their just lucky we don't care enough to do something about it in in our elections. But we better start doing something soon. Because if they get electronic voting machines with no paper trail going on throughout the country, we would lose the last thing we have to take back our country and force our government to be more representative (and accountable) to the citizens of this country. Right now, they could care less about us. They care about "corporate Americans."Originally posted by talloulou
I hardly believe the news is 100% conservatively biased. However I do agree the news is dumbed down and I'm inclined to believe that's done on purpose. It's almost like they want us to fight dems vs republicans when both parties have grown so close together its hard to really identify what a conservative is vs a liberal. It's like they want us to fight over Bush vs Kerry two guys who belonged to the same Skull n Bones college club. They want us to fight so we believe we have a real choice when really the two party system is very limiting.
I sometimes think there's someone else really controlling things.
I think journalists are doing a lousy job across the board.
Willoughby said:JUst wondering if there are any other non-americans on here and what their opinions are regarding the media bias. FRom a british point of view it would appear that the bias in the US is leaning towards conservative. Maybe that is due to the connection that is made between over-the-top patriotism and conservatives?
PeteEU said:Is US media conservative or left leaning? I would say conservative all the way, but then again...The european branch of conservatives look like "pinko commies" when compared to thier American counterparts. So hence most American media looks regardless of which, very conservative in thier views and news reporting.. from my european point of view...
The question for me is not if the media is right or left leaning, but if the media is as independant as possible from politician and goverment influence. Call it bias or call it whatever you want, but that is often the main problem. The news media is suppose to be the watchdog of the goverment and politicans and not the mouth piece of said groups and this goes even for state owned and funded media in a democratic society.
US media clearly leaned towards Bush and his policies after 9/11 and were basicly no better than soviet style party newspapers during the cold war. No hard questions were asked, politicans motives never examined and so on. Opposing views were silenced or brutally attacked as unpatriotic or worse.. basicly the media had lost its independent aura.
This has stuck around for a long time but many media outlets are slowly digging themselfs out of this selfinflicted haze.. some better than others.
I would rate Fox News as RNC/White House mouth piece as thier bias is very clear cut, regardless of thier missleading mottos. The are right wing and will spin any fact or figure in such a way to prove thier political point of view or at least put doubt on the "oppositions" policies.
ABC, NBC/MSNBC, CBS and CNN all have conservative traits as well as left leaning but on average they are far more balanced than Fox News and similar outlets. This of course puts them in the "liberal" area by many conservatives as basicly anyone not agreeing with the "party line" is a "liberal" .. or so it seems from over here anyways and its getting used more and more in European politics too, although the impact on the electorate is questionable.
Hence when ABC does a negative story about Bush or his policies then its from a liberal biased media story, but when its a positive story about Bush and his policies.. is it still a liberal biased media outlet?
You have obviously not watched our news, only read about it.
It's called responsible journalism, you just can't go in half cocked, with wild accusations, and hope those pan out, that is irresponsible. If you do this, you will end up looking like CBS did, desperate, uninformed, biased, and ultimately.....untrustworthy.
PeteEU said:Then how come Fox News is never called on its reporting in the same way? When Bill O'Rielly uses a bogus report with false and bogus statistics to "prove" his homophobic views to his viewers, why is there no uproar over such an event? Its the same principle.
One thing people have to recognize with the 24 hrs news channels is that they are not providing 24 hr NEWS.
Anotherwards Bill O'Rielly's show (he's the O'Rielly Factor Guy right?) is an opinion show. His show is all about SPIN.....his spin.
Wheras someone like Peter Jennings represented as an actual news reporter. A reporter reporting NEWS on the nightly news is expected to be held to a higher standard! A news reporter is NOT supposed to SPIN anything he is supposed to report the facts.
O'Rielly is not a news reporter. Anyone who mistakes the views on his show with the idea that they are viewing NEWS is a feeble minded idiot. He gives his opinion of whats currently in the news!
PeteEU said:I see, so a 24 hour news channel is not a news channel.....What is it then when its not reporting the News as you say? Documentary station, weather station....
Not according to himself.. its a spin free zone
I agree fully.. a news reporter is not suppose to spin anything as is a news channel or news show. And yet Fox News throw thier opinions in more often than any other channel. There was a study last year that showed this. But I guess its the future of news reporting. If you hold Peter Jennings to such a high standard then why not reporters on Fox News?
And that makes it okay to spin, lie and provide false information to prove a point? Hey he is a commentator on a news channel.. so he can say anything!!! and it does not reflect on the news channel, its attitude towards subjects or views on the news it reports. I see... :roll:
mpg said:"Hence when ABC does a negative story about Bush or his policies then its from a liberal biased media story"
They have a responsibility to be objective. That means being neither for nor against anything. Any pro-Bush reporting is biased and any anti-Bush reporting is biased. The question is; which is more common?
I agree 100%. Regarding your last sentence, you have Fox vs everyone else.talloulou said:Well if ABC does an editorial story I guess they can use as much bias as they want. But if its a news report there should be facts without bias.
When reporting the news they have a responsibility to report facts. If they report on facts that hurt Bush its still not bias, as long as they are facts minus opinion and over interpretation of what the facts mean.
As for which is more common....I think it depends on what channel you are watching.
I don't know why anyone would consider CBS any of those things. Bush never proved where he was for that year and a half in the Guard. As far as I'm concerned, if he can't show what he was doing then, he deserted.Originally posted by Deegan;
If you do this, you will end up looking like CBS did, desperate, uninformed, biased, and ultimately.....untrustworthy.
I don't know why you would juxtapose CBS with DSM. They're two completely different issues. No one is questioning the authenticity of the memo's. And they show Bush was going to fit the intel around his determination to attack Iraq. Looking back on it, it's obvious. Nothing he said about Iraq was true. He made them out to be some big threat, and they weren't. It's a joke. But I don't find it funny.Originally posted by Deegan:
I am sure if CBS would falsify documents, they would ceertainly run with your "totally authentic" story about the DSM. It was not all there, not even close, that is why it was not discussed further, there is no conspiracy Billo
Wow. If you or someone...anyone...could prove that, you could have his head on a stick.Billo_Really said:Looking back on it, it's obvious. Nothing he said about Iraq was true. He made them out to be some big threat, and they weren't. It's a joke. But I don't find it funny.
It'a already proven. Name one thing he said that turned out to be true. Or would you rather just sit around a make up excuses to torture people?Originally posted by KCConservative:
Wow. If you or someone...anyone...could prove that, you could have his head on a stick.
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