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Quite right, even more people need to be banned from voting. Please feel free to add to our list.And there's no fricken way tax paying, military serving, male gender-ed voters could EVER be irresponsible or uneducated voters. No F'n Way.:roll:
That's nice."The things people say and think"..
This irresponsibility, this behavior are so much a matter of opinion, that its not funny.
And, IMO, no man is worthy of denying another's right to vote - NO ONE !.
Whatever the details may be, you clearly want a society in which all women are submissive, Tigger.
I don't happen to think any such place has ever actually existed, or that today's woman is any more aggressive than women have ever been.
BTW, fine by me if you want a submissive woman. I hope you find her and live happily ever after -- be nice if you could wish for happiness for all us "aggressive" women in return, is all.
No. What I want is a society where both genders know, understand, accept, and embrace their place in the world.
No. What I want is a society where both genders know, understand, accept, and embrace their place in the world.
You do know that is what all cultures do, including our current one, right?
And where, pray tell, would we get such a definitions of the places that men and women should hold in the world?
You do know that is what all cultures do, including our current one, right?
No, what you want is a society where both genders know, understand, accept, and embrace what you view as their place in the world.No. What I want is a society where both genders know, understand, accept, and embrace their place in the world.
What he means is that he wants gender to accept where he thinks their place is - in his version of what society should be.
But we advanced out of the Middle Ages for good reason
So there is a SINGLE, COMPREHENSIVE set of gender roles, accepted and embraced by every single Man, woman, and child in the United States? Since when?
I disagree. We restrict a lot of people from voting, and nobody cares about their voting rights.And, IMO, no man is worthy of denying another's right to vote - NO ONE !.
The same traditional definitions that worked perfectly well for several thousand years before we abandoned them at the beginning of the 20th Century.
No one has ever unilaterally embraced gender roles. Your "traditionalist" views, as they were, were actually not as concrete as you had been led to believe.
Indeed.
He's caught up in the women's roles of the 50s.
While totally ignoring what women were like in the 20s...
I'm allowing him to understand that gender roles are under constant negotiation within society, and frequently there are periods of blurring, which is more of a reactive look at what is actually transpiring.
Don't waste your time - he's not worth the effort.
I'm allowing him to understand that gender roles are under constant negotiation within society, and frequently there are periods of blurring, which is more of a reactive look at what is actually transpiring.
No one has ever unilaterally embraced gender roles. Your "traditionalist" views, as they were, were actually not as concrete as you had been led to believe.
You mean those traditions that state that individuals can choose for themselves their own roles in society where they best fit to survive, based on their talents, skills, dedires, and opportunities because the state is an ineffective arbiter of such things?
Which is exactly the same tradition we have right now.
Indeed. He's caught up in the women's roles of the 50s. While totally ignoring what women were like in the 20s...
Well, no matter what he's talking about, he's thinking the 1950s represented one system of gender roles, when they didn't. Same for any decade. There's a huge variance in the expectations of norms throughout the United States, during any decade. This is when historical mythology comes into play instead of historical reality. He's caught up with the former, while being blissfully unaware of the latter.
Only in such places as allow the constant changing of such. How blurred are gender roles in places like Saudi Arabia or Yemen?
It was much more concrete than you tend to believe.
So let's take farming families in the West during the 19th century. How did they measure up to standards of the affluent in the North East? How about your factory worker woman-how did she fare?
Only in such places as allow the constant changing of such. How blurred are gender roles in places like Saudi Arabia or Yemen?
It was much more concrete than you tend to believe.
So you're telling me that a woman or Man in the 12th Century had the ability to choose their own role in society? That might be news to a lot of historians.
I'm more interested in 1250 than 1950.
Who has suggested that the United States is the standard I would prefer to choose?
Exactly. This nation has not had the intestinal fortitude to ENFORCE a standard of morals, values, and gender roles since at least the American Civil War and probably before that. It's one of the reasons this nation is failing so miserably these days.
Exactly. This nation has not had the intestinal fortitude to ENFORCE a standard of morals, values, and gender roles since at least the American Civil War and probably before that. It's one of the reasons this nation is failing so miserably these days.
It's only with farming improvements that fewer farmers were need for the same output of crops. Thus freed more men and women to pursue and develop other skills.
And now with mechanization we need even fewer people go agriculture. 60 years ago, the majority of Americans were farmers. Now, only 3% are farmers. Which means they can become scientists and doctors or service providers instead.
So technology and surviability determine gender roles. And it's a natural process you can't control.
Which is shy our nation is as great as it is, and can be much greater.
You couldn't enforce morals. You haven't the resources to begin with. Second of all, what you call fortitude, Americans call tyranny.
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