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Finally heard it.She had a gun. Therefore, to ABC she is a murderer because all gun owners are, and they will make their story to prove it.
Did he have a knife....the video was awful, but it looked like an umbrella.
More than once, the man shakes his umbrella at the woman as he steps close to her.
A witness, who can be seen walking just feet away, said the man had a knife.
“Too many people ain’t known he had a knife in his hand and he had the umbrella in his other hand,” Jon Thomas said, according to KTRK.
“She seen him with a knife and took out her gun and pointed it toward the ground, like a warning,” Thomas said. “Like ‘get off me.’ He kept walking toward her like he was fixing to do something, and that’s when she shot off,” he said.
Here is a story that provides a few more details.
I guess he had an umbrella in the one hand and the knife in the other.
If he was acting aggressively and had a knife out, it sounds justified to me.
VIDEO: Woman shoots man to death in Houston gas station argument* - NY Daily News
I would assume that the police recovered the knife?
Have I missed where it was said what they were arguig about?
Police said a pocketknife was found in the dead man’s clothing.
Yes, according to the article, a knife was found. I have know idea what the argument was about.
The witness said he had it in his hand prior to being shot."In his clothing?"
Wouldn't it have been in his hand or around his dead body?
How prior makes a difference.The witness said he had it in his hand prior to being shot.
How prior makes a difference.
If he had it out at the time she shot him it is different than if he had only had it out some time prior to that last encounter.
If he had it out at the time of the shooting, he either had it in the hand with the umbrella in it, or he had it in the hand he used to hit her.
If the knife was found in his pocket, then perhaps he did not have it out when he was shot. That does not exclude him from having had it out at some other point. But it changes the calculus of the lady shooting at him before he hit her.
Woman allegedly kills armed man at gas station on Houston's south side | abc13.com
This came across the news last night, the video is clear that the man
struck her after she was pointing the rifle.
I am thinking self defense, but not sure why she got close to him
before he hit her.
Feedback?
:dohHow prior makes a difference.
If he had it out at the time she shot him it is different than if he had only had it out some time prior to that last encounter.
If he had it out at the time of the shooting, he either had it in the hand with the umbrella in it, or he had it in the hand he used to hit her.
If the knife was found in his pocket, then perhaps he did not have it out when he was shot. That does not exclude him from having had it out at some other point. But it changes the calculus of the lady shooting at him before he hit her.
The witness said he had it in his hand prior to being shot.
Jesus Christ. You can't kill somebody because he had his hand in his pocket. WTF??
It doesnt appear they were "having a conversation." They were having a verbal altercation, one that the aggressor...the male...escalated. The woman felt threatened (reasonably so), and even after getting a weapon to defend herself the man continued to assault her. This is as clear a case of self defense as imaginable, with or without a knife (which he apparently had not only on his possession but in his hand).
Yes....I suppose the 'usual suspects' would defend a woman who was standing by her car pumping gas, was accosted by the guy on several occasions, and by the report of the actual witness, the guy had a knife in his hand, then approached her, and not only didnt have the common sense to retreat once she took means to defend herself but then continued forward even after she fired a warning shot.No offense, but "the usual suspects" are in this thread defending her use of deadly force. I consider myself less likely to just accept what supposedly happened than the rest of you here. You feel threatened?? You get in your damned car and leave. You don't casually stroll to your trunk and take out a gun. She was not afraid - quite obviously.
The only time that guy laid a hand on her was when she shot off a round and grazed him. Then he pushed her.While that was stupid, that doesn't give someone the license to kill you. He made contact with her -- so if he'd had a knife in his hand, she'd have been cut.
Cops confirmed he had a pocket knife "in his clothing." That's hardly indicative of a knife in his hand. If this is what walking around with guns causes, I want no freakin' part of it.
You're as civil as ever.:doh
Did you not bother to do just a smidgeon of research?
The clip of the witness does not provide a "when."It was in his hand at the time of the confrontation.
Listen to the witness in the video.
start @ 00:56
Fatal shooting caught on camera | Video | abc13.com
Yes....I suppose the 'usual suspects' would defend a woman who was standing by her car pumping gas, was accosted by the guy on several occasions, and by the report of the actual witness, the guy had a knife in his hand, then approached her, and not only didnt have the common sense to retreat once she took means to defend herself but then continued forward even after she fired a warning shot.
Not sure what kind of bizarro world you live in where people that are the subject of obviously aggressive acts shouldnt have the right to defend themselves. I wonder...if the guy had accosted a cop, would you have said the cop should have hidden in his car or ran away or would the cop have been in the right to defend himself?
I dont live in a world where you have to cower in fear when a man accosts you SEVERAL times. She defended herself. No...she shouldnt have left the scene, but every bit of video and eyewitness evidence shows HE was the aggressor and HE had a knife (you keep saying a knife found in his clothing yet the eyewitness said it was in his hand. If it was in how did she and the eyewitness both know he HAD a knife? And BTW...I carry a pocket knife with me at all times...sort of a family tradition. It is a Spiderco. Very handy. Also, potentially lethal if someone were so inclined.When someone is threatening you with a gun at close quarters, you charge them. When she initially had the gun pointed at the ground, he didn't even make an attempt to take it from her.
How do you account for her casual stroll to her trunk? For staying right on top of him with her gun? For casually finishing up her business? For leaving the scene? You would have done NONE of those things. For the pocket knife being found "in his clothing"?
Having an argument with someone doesn't allow that someone to shoot you. This stinks.
Part of her problem is she left. One of the reasons this made national news, was after she shot him,When someone is threatening you with a gun at close quarters, you charge them. When she initially had the gun pointed at the ground, he didn't even make an attempt to take it from her.
How do you account for her casual stroll to her trunk? For staying right on top of him with her gun? For casually finishing up her business? For leaving the scene? You would have done NONE of those things. For the pocket knife being found "in his clothing"?
Having an argument with someone doesn't allow that someone to shoot you. This stinks.
Can you make the case that the PO and the lady have identical rights and responsibilities?Would a police officer been required to hide in his car?
I can absolutely make the case that the police officer has no greater right of self defense than the woman. Absolutely.Can you make the case that the PO and the lady have identical rights and responsibilities?
If not, I am not sure of the relevance of the question.
Did the old guy have the knife in the same hand he was holding the umbrella?
Or was the knife in the hand that he used to hit her?
Well, can I have a link to that?
Not the question I asked.I can absolutely make the case that the police officer has no greater right of self defense than the woman. Absolutely.
Why do I have to blame the woman? Or rather, why do you assume that I have to blame the woman?And you can honestly view that video and blame the WOMAN???
You asked if the officer and woman had identical rights. The answer to that question is not only yes but hell yes and you could make the case that the womans right to self defense might be even GREATER. Now...do you want to pretend that a police officer would NOT have fired in that situation?Not the question I asked.
Why do I have to blame the woman? Or rather, why do you assume that I have to blame the woman?
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