With his attempt to show slaverly in a more positive light, I wonder how stupid black Trump supporters feel now.

[ElChupacabra]

You are not understanding. Museum's do account for our past, but it should be done in a manner which shows our improvement and gains, not to keep us in the past. That's all Trump is speaking about.

If one chooses a sanitized version of history, sure. There is no accurate recounting of American history without its stains, and that is true of every nation. Keeping those dark parts of our history serves as a contrast to where we are now, which is lost if one wants to treat history like a highlights reel.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

I think "gaslight" is another term you struggle with.

It's not.

So how did Uncle Remus mentor children?

I informed you of my position. You admitted you were aware of it.

I am.

You have nothing in response.

I mean...you like the character. What am I supposed to say "in response"? "No you don't"? Or what? You like him...we have established this...

 

[RF667799]

It's not.

I'm not trying to manipulate you into believing you are going insane. I'm simply trying to determine your objection to the Uncle Remus character. If what I have said of him is shaking the foundations of your self image, that's entirely on you.

So how did Uncle Remus mentor children?

Look up the word. Since you tried to use a private definition earlier in an attempt to nay-say, I feel no burden to educate you.

I am.



I mean...you like the character. What am I supposed to say "in response"? "No you don't"? Or what? You like him...we have established this...

I said I have no objections to a character who is kind, cheerful, and mentors children by telling them traditional African fables. If you are opposed to such a character, you should say so.

All my previous posts stand.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

I'm not trying to manipulate you into believing you are going insane. I'm simply trying to determine your objection to the Uncle Remus character.

No, you're being dishonest and attempting to debate dishonestly.

I mean you already know that, but...yeah.

If what I have said of him is shaking the foundations of your self image, that's entirely on you.

Um what?

Look up the word. Since you tried to use a private definition earlier in an attempt to nay-say, I feel no burden to educate you.

So how was Uncle Remus a mentor to children?

I said I have no objections to a character who is kind, cheerful, and mentors children by telling them traditional African fables.

Yes. I heard and acknowledged that you like a specific type of person. Also, psst. Telling stories to children does not necessarily mean mentoring them.

If you are opposed to such a character, you should say so.

LOL oh the attempted manipulations.

I made an offer to debate you if you would do so honestly. That offer is still on the table.

All my previous posts stand.

Mine too.

 

[RF667799]

No, you're being dishonest and attempting to debate dishonestly.

I mean you already know that, but...yeah.



Um what?



So how was Uncle Remus a mentor to children?



Yes. I heard and acknowledged that you like a specific type of person. Also, psst. Telling stories to children does not necessarily mean mentoring them.



LOL oh the attempted manipulations.

I made an offer to debate you if you would do so honestly. That offer is still on the table.



Mine too.

What will we debate? You seem reluctant to take a position, though you insinuate what it might be. Am I to assume your position after you've already accused me of dishonesty?

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

What will we debate? You seem reluctant to take a position, though you insinuate what it might be. Am I to assume your position after you've already accused me of dishonesty?

It seems I have my answer: no, you are not willing to debate honestly. ^

 

[RF667799]

It seems I have my answer: no, you are not willing to debate honestly. ^

You can't even bring yourself to say what we will debate, let alone stake a position!

You've pretty obviously been painted into a corner.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

You can't even bring yourself to say what we will debate, let alone stake a position!

You've pretty obviously been painted into a corner.

LOL oh RF. Never change.

 

[redbeer]

And? I'm not the one who wants to continue honoring slaver Democrats like Robert E Lee. That would be Trump and his defense secretary. Again, I'm all for teaching little white children that Confederate Democrats belonged to a deplorable culture of white trash. How about you?

You mean, like MAGA voters, huh?

 

[Perotista]

View attachment 67585407First, Trump wants to re-erect a statue of a Confederate General with possible ties to the KKK. Now, Trump wants to re-write our history regarding slavery.
These are nothing more than Trump redirection and sensationalism tactics to throw some "red meat" to his racist MAGA base and shift the narrative away from his abysmal presidency and looming Epstein pedophile involvement.

The reason Trump garnered 13% of the black vote last year was economic and those who voted for him did so with no thought of slavery in the past. 21% of black men voted for Trump vs. only 7% of black women. This falls in line with the general voting patterns of all male and female voters nationwide.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/exit-polls/national-results/general/president/0

An interesting aspect of this is among blacks 32% thought they were better off 4 years, 39% stated now or 2024 under Biden. Nationwide these figures were 48% of all Americans thought they were better off 4 years vs. 34% who said now. Blacks who voted for Trump were voting their own personal situation thinking their living standards were better under Trump than under Biden as a plurality of all Americans thought the same.

Things change, but not because of past slavery issues. Question 17. Change in Personal Finances Over Past Year - Would you say that you and your family are... Blacks - Better off financially than you were a year ago 10%, Worse off financially than you were a year ago 41%. All Americans – Better off financially than you were a year ago 15%, Worse off financially than you were a year ago 36%.

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_sBoaiA0.pdf

Would 13% of blacks vote for Trump today, I’d say no. But not voting for Trump today has a whole lot more to do with one’s financial situation, the hope and promise of improvement in their living standards and adding some bills to their wallet dashed and not realized so far under Trump than anything dealing with past slavery.

 

[redbeer]

If one chooses a sanitized version of history, sure. There is no accurate recounting of American history without its stains, and that is true of every nation. Keeping those dark parts of our history serves as a contrast to where we are now, which is lost if one wants to treat history like a highlights reel.

By tearing down Civil War statues or anyone in our history who was involved in slavery?......the democrats did this.

 

[Master Debator]

You mean, like MAGA voters, huh?

Are MAGA voters children? I'm not understanding the question as it pertains to my quote.

 

[Master Debator]

By tearing down Civil War statues or anyone in our history who was involved in slavery?......the democrats did this.

And Trump wants to honor those slaving Democrats.

 

[ElChupacabra]

By tearing down Civil War statues or anyone in our history who was involved in slavery?......the democrats did this.

There's a difference between recounting history and commemoration. The former is in a museum setting and meant to provide a historical accounting of the many facets of our history, which includes the core components of our growth and expansion, and those came at the expense of African slaves and Native Americans. Ignoring or minimizing it leaves a massive gap in that recounting. Now as to the latter it serves a very different purpose, and had one when those statues were erected; teaching history was not it.