Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights withou

Conservative · Mar 21, 2011

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Dittohead not! said:
I'm not sure just what "All negotiations have to be done via ballot initiated" means. Yes, open shop is a good idea. The union should be the servant, the teachers the boss. The union members should decide who, if anyone, is to represent them. Outlawing collective bargaining is not a good idea, however.

The claims against Walker are overstated, all collective bargaining rights aren't being eliminated. Right now Federal Workers don't have the rights they have in Wisconsin and that should tell you how out of kilter they are.

Dittohead not! · Mar 21, 2011

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Conservative said:
The claims against Walker are overstated, all collective bargaining rights aren't being eliminated. Right now Federal Workers don't have the rights they have in Wisconsin and that should tell you how out of kilter they are.

That he has targeted health benefits, rather than salary, as the issue to be able to dictate unilaterally tells us something about the cost of health care. But, no, he doesn't want (or at least hasn't tried to) totally eliminate collective bargaining (yet) and simply dictate wages and working conditions.

cpwill · Mar 22, 2011

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haymarket said:
WalMart is an excellent example of corporate hypocrisy taken to the nth degree. Sam Walton is in love with small town America so much that he virtually destroys its economic way of life by running small town main street right out of business replacing it with ugly boxes filled with crap from China. What a way to honor small town America.

i'm from small town America and i love Walmart. lower my cost of living, any day.

William Rea · Mar 22, 2011

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Conservative said:
The claims against Walker are overstated, all collective bargaining rights aren't being eliminated. Right now Federal Workers don't have the rights they have in Wisconsin and that should tell you how out of kilter they are.

It does, and it sounds like the Federal Workers should be standing up for themselves more.

haymarket · Mar 22, 2011

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Conservative said:
Right, just like you cannot provide substantiation for much of what you post or any of your own claims. I know what happened and don't have to prove a thing to you. There have been enough video and documented evidence on this thread of union thugs, you choose to ignore them and personally question my experience. Says a lot about you.

If you want your.... what shall we call them ...."allegations" to be accepted as evidence here, yes indeed you have to prove them.

What documented evidence are you referring to? I am happy to examine anything you would like to show us. I suspect you get your impressions of unions from fiction and bad movies... maybe even good movies - but fiction just the same.

randel · Mar 22, 2011

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mertex said:
OMG, I can't believe you are claiming that union workers don't earn their money.

I wish you could see how stupid your comment sounds - but I know that it goes over your head just like every comment you make!

Did you even read the articles I posted? Because if you had, you wouldn't make such ignorant statements. I'm taking a guess that you are still claiming that taxpayers are paying them! Bwahahaha! If that is true, then taxpayers pay for everyone's wages whether they are union or not - see how dumb that sounds?

Wonder why conservatives like you don't research your arguments a little better so you don't sound so ignorant.

i'm beggining to think that 'conservative' is nothing more than a computer program that has developed a glitch, he seems to be stuck in an endless loop, and keeps implying that these workers did not earn their money.

randel · Mar 22, 2011

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Conservative said:
I cannot believe that you don't understand where their money comes from. I read your article and it is leftwing propaganda that flies in the face of logic and common sense. If you have such great faith in unions then you won't have any problem with people opting out or paying their union dues by check instead of payroll deduction. I suggest you read your own article and find out how pensions are really funded and by whom as well as who contributes?

Love being called ignorant by you because you have such a screwed up definition of the word. Look in the mirror, pal.

their money comes from the work they performed, it is wages earned...i can't believe that you can't figure this out.

Slartibartfast · Mar 22, 2011

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randel said:
their money comes from the work they performed, it is wages earned...i can't believe that you can't figure this out.

He doesn't want to ...

randel · Mar 22, 2011

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megaprogman said:
He doesn't want to ...

it seems he will do anything to smear unions...stoop to any level.

randel · Mar 22, 2011

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cpwill said:
i'm from small town America and i love Walmart. lower my cost of living, any day.

i'm from small town America, and i absolutely despise walmart....and this was even before i became union....i'd rather pay a little more for quality goods made in America, and keep jobs in America then send my money overseas...i'd rather support the local economy than the economy of china...the cheap stuff wally world sells comes with a hidden cost.

Conservative · Mar 22, 2011

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randel said:
it seems he will do anything to smear unions...stoop to any level.

Not a smear at all, reality, something you refuse to recognize. Video has been shown of the union thugs intimidating others yet still no condemnation. Says a lot about you. Quite frankly you don't have much credibility at all and apparently will be happy to retire as a union employee. It really is a shame since you think you are so smart. Smart people don't work for unions their entire life as unions hold people down, never reward innovation and creativity, provide the same raises to everyone, and do everything they can to keep people dependent. Congratulations!

cpwill · Mar 22, 2011

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randel said:
i'm from small town America, and i absolutely despise walmart....and this was even before i became union....i'd rather pay a little more for quality goods made in America, and keep jobs in America then send my money overseas

Walmart saves the average poor family thousands of dollars in a given year. you may have had thousands of dollars on the margin to blow on aesthetics, but we didn't. Wal Mart made it easier for me to feed my family, get medicines, spend time with my children...

yeah, i'll take that over needlessly impoverishing a community in order to walk into a store that feels homey and pretty but has high prices.

i'd rather support the local economy than the economy of china...the cheap stuff wally world sells comes with a hidden cost.

you'd rather keep the local economy poorer?

randel · Mar 22, 2011

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Conservative said:
Not a smear at all, reality, something you refuse to recognize. Video has been shown of the union thugs intimidating others yet still no condemnation. Says a lot about you. Quite frankly you don't have much credibility at all and apparently will be happy to retire as a union employee. It really is a shame since you think you are so smart. Smart people don't work for unions their entire life as unions hold people down, never reward innovation and creativity, provide the same raises to everyone, and do everything they can to keep people dependent. Congratulations!

son, you wouldnt know reality if it bit you in the arse...hmmm....that i liike being paid a fair wage, and having good benefits...what does that say about me? i'd say it makes me sound pretty damn smart. credibility? you my friend, are the last one who should ever speak on that subject.

Conservative · Mar 22, 2011

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randel said:
son, you wouldnt know reality if it bit you in the arse...hmmm....that i liike being paid a fair wage, and having good benefits...what does that say about me? i'd say it makes me sound pretty damn smart. credibility? you my friend, are the last one who should ever speak on that subject.

A fair wage to you is what the unions want you to have, not what you are capable of earning although in your case a union wage may be all you are able to achieve.

randel · Mar 22, 2011

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cpwill said:
Walmart saves the average poor family thousands of dollars in a given year. you may have had thousands of dollars on the margin to blow on aesthetics, but we didnt.

you'd rather keep the local economy poorer?

i'd rather spend my money and have it stay in my community, my state, and keep my neighbors employed. i'd rather not support some company that sends its profits out of my community, out of my state. i'd rather shop at local establishments that have ties to the community, shop at mom and pop stores...yeah, it is worth a few extra dollars to me to keep that money in the area.

randel · Mar 22, 2011

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Conservative said:
A fair wage to you is what the unions want you to have, not what you are capable of earning although in your case a union wage may be all you are able to achieve.

a union wage is a good thing , regardless of your opinion.

Conservative · Mar 22, 2011

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randel said:
i'd rather spend my money and have it stay in my community, my state, and keep my neighbors employed. i'd rather not support some company that sends its profits out of my community, out of my state. i'd rather shop at local establishments that have ties to the community, shop at mom and pop stores...yeah, it is worth a few extra dollars to me to keep that money in the area.

Profits go out of your community? No wonder you work for a union? You continue to show that you don't understand how business works. Taxes are paid on profits, people are hired on profits, dividends are paid on profits. Try running any business without profits. You think none of those benefits your community and state?

cpwill · Mar 22, 2011

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randel said:
i'd rather spend my money and have it stay in my community, my state, and keep my neighbors employed.

you'd rather they be poorer? i don't know about the Walmart where your from, but in our home town it didn't exactly import workers from the next state over. Walmart is, in fact, the largest employer in the United States.

i'd rather not support some company that sends its profits out of my community, out of my state. i'd rather shop at local establishments that have ties to the community, shop at mom and pop stores...yeah, it is worth a few extra dollars to me to keep that money in the area.

good for you. I applaud your ability and willingness to make choices in the market. however, measured by Walmarts' success rate, it seems clear that the majority of middle and low income Americans would rather have a higher standard of living.

cpwill · Mar 22, 2011

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randel said:
a union wage is a good thing , regardless of your opinion.

if it destroys the company?

randel · Mar 22, 2011

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cpwill said:
you'd rather they be poorer? i don't know about the Walmart where your from, but in our home town it didn't exactly import workers from the next state over. Walmart is, in fact, the largest employer in the United States.

good for you. I applaud your ability and willingness to make choices in the market. however, measured by Walmarts' success rate, it seems clear that the majority of middle and low income Americans would rather have a higher standard of living.

wasting money on cheap chinese garbage isnt my idea of a 'higher standard of living'...

randel · Mar 22, 2011

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cpwill said:
if it destroys the company?

no company is being destroyed

Conservative · Mar 22, 2011

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randel said:
a union wage is a good thing , regardless of your opinion.

Didn't say it wasn't a good thing, a minimum wage is a good thing as well for people with no initiative, drive, or work ethic but also serve as the maximum wage someone can get. I would have expected someone of your intelligence to have greater initiative than apparently you have. Union wages keep people down which is contrary to your statement. You telling me that the union wage is the maximum you are capable of earning? Based upon what I have seen from you, you are probably right. You have reached the top of pay scale you are capable of earning. If there were more people like you our country wouldn't have the innovation and creativity we have.

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