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MaggieD · Mar 9, 2011

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Badmutha said:
314 Police and Fire Unions in Wisconsin........

.......out of the 314.....4 of them endorsed Walker.

Please cease and desist from your liberal talking points......

Thanks for this. I kept hearing it and never checked it out. Here's more:

In Wisconsin, the state police, several police locals, and a firefighters union (just a fraction of the states more than 300 public safety union organizations) endorsed Walker in the gubernatorial race.

Walker said during a CBS interview last friday, “There are 314 fire and police unions in the state. Four of them endorsed me. All the rest endorsed my opponent.”

Read more: Scott Walker | spares Wisconsin police, fire fighters | collective bargaining | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

Kal'Stang · Mar 9, 2011

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pbrauer said:
This just more proof that this fight was never about the budget.

I think pretty much everyone saw that. The unions, democrats, and republicans all agreed to everything in the original bill except the part about getting rid of collective bargaining. Which because of that 14 democrats fled the responsibilities of thier job.

IE your post has no substance. Now if when/if the Democrats get back to WI and no one attempts to pass the rest of the budget bill that everyone agreed on already then we'll see if the budget was also a factor for republicans or not. If they attempt to pass it then the budget was obviously a part of something they agreed needed to be done.

Badmutha · Mar 9, 2011

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danarhea said:
Not true. In passing the bill, Republicans stripped out ALL of the economic measures, and the version that went to the floor ONLY dealt with busting the union. NOTHING was passed that dealt with the budget. And therein, we now see the real motivation for this move, which was to repay the funding and favors given by the Koch Brothers to the Wisconsin Republican party. The GOP will soon be dead in that state. They have picked a fight that they are surely going to lose.

LOL.......

....the DNC will soon be dead across the entire country.
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Renae · Mar 9, 2011

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danarhea said:
I wasn't forced to do a damn thing. I made my own choice, based on information I had available. It's as simple as that. As much as you would like to believe that you are God here, you aren't. You had diddly squat to do with my change. Sorry to disappoint you.

Testy aren't we. It would appear I hit the nail on this one. Note I said I and OTHERS LIKE ME, have been pointing out how un-conservative some of your views are. I.E. not just me. You kept getting pounded into indefensible corners leaving you with only "I'm a Goldwater Guy!!" as your only defense.

Yet you side with Unions, for example. A situation where the voters, the people have no control over their spending, decide to elect a guy that promises to reign in said uncontrollability and YOU are up in arms over it. Most amusing. Liberty also encompasses the right of the people to have a say in how their money is spent, not forced to pay the demands of Unions that tend to give big to the same party trying to keep their power! Conflict of interest? I guess that eludes you.

ARealConservative · Mar 9, 2011

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danarhea said:
It wasn't about vanity whatsoever, but explaining the reasons for the change, which are deep rooted. Now, instead of the barrage of personal attacks you and your friends are making against me, which DOES make me feel good, in a vain sort of way, how about talking about the topic, which isn't about me, but about what is happening in Wisconsin?

you seem to ignore any part of my post that does pertain to your op.

so how much time have you spent in Wisconsin in the last couple weeks to come to this super educated opnion about the dire straights the state GOP finds itself in?

ThePlayDrive · Mar 9, 2011

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Kal'Stang said:
Wow!!!!!! GOOD response!!!!!!!!!! I'm Switching sides!!!!!!!

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Not.

As if I was aiming for a good response.

haymarket · Mar 9, 2011

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This may be the way out of the deal for the GOP. Pass a bill which is obviously a violation of the State Constitution but save face in doing so. Months from now it is declared as such by the courts and the whole thing just whimpers away while normalcy has returned.

They know they lost public opinion and they know the Senate Dems are not going to give in so this is the way they attempt to save face, declare victory and later blame activist judges for overturning their actions.

Renae · Mar 9, 2011

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haymarket said:
This may be the way out of the deal for the GOP. Pass a bill which is obviously a violation of the State Constitution but save face in doing so. Months from now it is declared as such by the courts and the whole thing just whimpers away while normalcy has returned.

They know they lost public opinion and they know the Senate Dems are not going to give in so this is the way they attempt to save face, declare victory and later blame activist judges for overturning their actions.

Project much?

Walter · Mar 9, 2011

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theplaydrive said:
1. Democrats and Republicans both feed greedy ****s (I would never deny this), I have a hard time getting over the fact that the greediest of them all love the Republican Party and not to mention that least greedy of them all are Democrats who encourage the government to increase their taxes.
2. Being an independent doesn't meant that you don't subscribe to any conservative values or make any conservative arguments. Independent doesn't mean neutral.
3. I've studied plenty. I'm glad you make businesses the poor little guys who were forced to leave the country because the unions had to many demands. I've heard this argument made many a time...by conservatives. Businesses (not all, but many) are greedy - that's why they move their business to places where they can underpay their workers and let them work in horrible conditions - see a famous case - Nike.
4. Like I said, the U.S. is capable of meeting the demands of the unions because they ****ing agreed to make monetary concessions so long as they could keep collective bargaining...Walker doesn't care.
5. It is interesting how they are so adamant about attacking working class salaries and not adamant about attacking wealthy people who can afford to give a little extra in taxes. Why are working class people supposed to sacrifice but not wealthy people who still get multi-million dollar bonuses and lower taxes.

Least GREEDY? Really? I suppose that lack of greed is why they are marching on the Capital as we speak? Or why, some Bus Drivers in Wisconsin average over 100 k a year in salary. Collective Bargaining is not a CIVIL RIGHT especially in the public sector..what was granted by an act of legislation can be just as easily rescinded by an act of legislation, and that is the process that is now playing out, the democrats are simply throwing a tantrum, at the end of the day....what's going to happen is going to happen the Eagle can **** only so much funny money. What is so difficult to comprehend about one simple word.....

B R O K E

haymarket · Mar 9, 2011

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MrVicchio said:
Project much?

never............

ThePlayDrive · Mar 9, 2011

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Badmutha said:
314 Police and Fire Unions in Wisconsin........

.......out of the 314.....4 of them endorsed Walker.

Please cease and desist from your liberal talking points......
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This is the only post that kills one of my arguments. I should have investigated that harder. The rest of my points still stand though. The greediest love the Republican Party for a reason and the unions are not in any way as evil and damaging as many here are making them out to be.

Badmutha · Mar 9, 2011

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danarhea said:
I believe the tactic now is going to be recall, and the GOP just gave one hell of a huge boost to the recall effort against 8 Republicans in that state. There is no doubt either that Walker himself will be recalled next year.

Bookmark this for next year.......when the recall effort goes down in flames.

4 out of 5 taxpayers and property owners WON......WINNING......

Scott Walker For President!.
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Amazed · Mar 9, 2011

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Let's make a wager Hay.....Walker is recalled I leave the website...he isn't...you do?

haymarket said:
This may be the way out of the deal for the GOP. Pass a bill which is obviously a violation of the State Constitution but save face in doing so. Months from now it is declared as such by the courts and the whole thing just whimpers away while normalcy has returned.

They know they lost public opinion and they know the Senate Dems are not going to give in so this is the way they attempt to save face, declare victory and later blame activist judges for overturning their actions.

ThePlayDrive · Mar 9, 2011

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Walter said:
Least GREEDY? Really? I suppose that lack of greed is why they are marching on the Capital as we speak? Or why, some Bus Drivers in Wisconsin average over 100 k a year in salary. Collective Bargaining is not a CIVIL RIGHT especially in the public sector..what was granted by an act of legislation can be just as easily rescinded by an act of legislation, and that is the process that is now playing out, the democrats are simply throwing a tantrum, at the end of the day....what's going to happen is going to happen the Eagle can **** only so much funny money. What is so difficult to comprehend about one simple word.....

B R O K E

I want to respond to this fully, but I'm losing my ability to respond to people in this thread with the respect that I usually want to.

Suffice it to say, I still disagree with you. Like I said, the unions agreed to monetary terms that would help the budget...which answers your 'BROKE' comment. The end.

MaggieD · Mar 9, 2011

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I am really surprised by this, actually. It's almost unbelievable. I think that Republicans probably dotted their i's and crossed their t's on this....so it'll probably stand. Now we wait to see if unions can convince enough average Wisconsinites to recall some of the Republicans.....and if the Republicans recall less Dems...and roll back the legislation. Personally, I don't think that's going to be particularly easy. Democracy in action, I guess.

As for the tactic, I say, Good for them. Governor Walker, you rock.

Badmutha · Mar 9, 2011

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theplaydrive said:
This is the only post that kills one of my arguments.

Well I just got here 5 seconds ago.....I can take out the rest of them if you want.

I should have investigated that harder. The rest of my points still stand though. The greediest love the Republican Party for a reason and the unions are not in any way as evil and damaging as many here are making them out to be.

The Democrat Circle of GREED

From the Taxpayer......To Liberal Governement.....To Union Slobs.....To The Union.....and back to Liberal Government.

The days of THE MOB running Wisconsin has come to an end........as it will in Ohio.......lets hope it goes national.
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buck · Mar 9, 2011

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haymarket said:
This may be the way out of the deal for the GOP. Pass a bill which is obviously a violation of the State Constitution but save face in doing so. Months from now it is declared as such by the courts and the whole thing just whimpers away while normalcy has returned.

What law did this violate that will cause it to be overturned?

Kandahar · Mar 9, 2011

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theplaydrive said:
1. Democrats and Republicans both feed greedy ****s (I would never deny this), I have a hard time getting over the fact that the greediest of them all love the Republican Party and not to mention that least greedy of them all are Democrats who encourage the government to increase their taxes.

You know what's really greedy? Making it impossible to fire even the worst of the worst teachers because there might occasionally be a good teacher who is fired. And who pays for that greed? That's right, the students...in the form of a substandard education.

ARealConservative · Mar 9, 2011

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buck said:
What law did this violate that will cause it to be overturned?

Attorney Robert Dreps, an expert on the state open meetings law, said he did not believe the conference committee could meet with such short notice.

State law generally requires a 24-hour notice for public meetings, but can be called with just two hours notice when more notice is impossible or impractical, said Dreps, who has represented the Journal Sentinel in the past.

“I can’t imagine how they can meet that standard,” he said.

GOP rams anti-union bill through Wis. Senate - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com

Badmutha · Mar 9, 2011

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theplaydrive said:
1. It's no coincidence that the economy thrived under Clinton and tanked gradually throughout Bush's terms and that rich, greedy types tend to flock to the Republican Party. Democrats are not innocent in pandering to corporate interests, but Republicans have the policies that attract them the most. What does a greedy corporation want more than a party the targets unions - see notorious employer Walmart's contribution to Walker's campaign.

Can you name one Clinton Policy that was responsible for the Economic boom of the 90's?.
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ThePlayDrive · Mar 9, 2011

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Kandahar said:
You know what's really greedy? Making it impossible to fire even the worst of the worst teachers because there might occasionally be a good teacher who is fired. And who pays for that greed? That's right, the students...in the form of a substandard education.

You what's really dumb? Believing that good teachers are 'occassionally' fired or targeted (see teachers who refused to go along with the ever popular government tactic of inflating grades to feign improvement) and that the worst teachers are common enough to need to change the system. If government really cared about getting rid of 'bad' teachers, they would have fired all of the non-tenured ones...which they haven't.

ARealConservative · Mar 9, 2011

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Badmutha said:
Can you name one Clinton Policy that was responsible for the Economic boom of the 90's?.
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massive cuts in military personel that GOP failed to do even though the cold war had ended.

MaggieD · Mar 9, 2011

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ARealConservative said:
Attorney Robert Dreps, an expert on the state open meetings law, said he did not believe the conference committee could meet with such short notice.

State law generally requires a 24-hour notice for public meetings, but can be called with just two hours notice when more notice is impossible or impractical, said Dreps, who has represented the Journal Sentinel in the past.

“I can’t imagine how they can meet that standard,” he said.

GOP rams anti-union bill through Wis. Senate - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com

Well, unless the Dems don't plan on returning to the legislature until this issue has wound its way through the courts, I think that'll end up being a moot point.

Kandahar · Mar 9, 2011

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theplaydrive said:
I want to respond to this fully, but I'm losing my ability to respond to people in this thread with the respect that I usually want to.

Suffice it to say, I still disagree with you. Like I said, the unions agreed to monetary terms that would help the budget...which answers your 'BROKE' comment. The end.

There are at least two different problems being addressed here: The immediate budget deficit that the state of Wisconsin faces, and the more chronic problem of teachers' unions strong-arming the public into allowing them nearly total job security at the expense of the students. Yes, the unions agreed to some concessions to solve the first problem, but it's the less important of the two problems and their concessions didn't address the other problem at all.

danarhea · Mar 9, 2011

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MrVicchio said:
Testy aren't we. It would appear I hit the nail on this one. Note I said I and OTHERS LIKE ME, have been pointing out how un-conservative some of your views are. I.E. not just me. You kept getting pounded into indefensible corners leaving you with only "I'm a Goldwater Guy!!" as your only defense.

Yet you side with Unions, for example. A situation where the voters, the people have no control over their spending, decide to elect a guy that promises to reign in said uncontrollability and YOU are up in arms over it. Most amusing. Liberty also encompasses the right of the people to have a say in how their money is spent, not forced to pay the demands of Unions that tend to give big to the same party trying to keep their power! Conflict of interest? I guess that eludes you.

Sorry, guy. I'm not taking the bait. You are now on ignore. Go start a flame war with someone else.

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