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and you just swallowed the 'fair and balanced' network' rhetoric lock, stock and barrel...LOL
Let's see what a Wisconsin expert had to say...
An estimate from the people that are actually in charge of the facility...
PolitiFact Wisconsin | Wisconsin officials claim cleaning up the state Capitol will cost $7.5 million
You are misinformed. Teachers use their collective bargaining rights to improve reform and funding to address poor, inner-city minority students. Because the priority has been for other things such as corporate welfare, is not the fault of the educators. Without collective bargaining, education will be at the mercy of whatever the corporate elected officials decide it should be.
A running debate among those on both sides of the voucher issue is whether students benefit academically from attending private schools. Both sides have pointed to research that supports their position.
You are diverting from the FACT that Democrats ran and shirked their responsibility to the electorate. They were not there to represent their constiuents on other legislation debated and voted upon.
Such is life.
Unfortunately for you, the Wisconsin Senate Chief Clerk, Rob Merchant, disagrees with you. He sent a notice out today saying, "[T]he notice appears to have satisfied the requirements of the rules and statutes,".
Majority Leader Fitzgerald sent out the following notice:
Democrats are elected officials too.
another winning slogan from the washington knows best set
meanwhile, bottom line:
FT.com / US / Economy & Fed - US public pensions face $2,500bn shortfall
It doesn't matter which political party it is. Trying to argue that we need unions to provide a counterbalance to elected officials is asinine; the officials were elected by the public, the unions weren't. If the public wants someone to oppose the people in power, they can vote for a different group of people in the next election.
we'll both be dead and none of it will matter.
Interesting. Why do they have to be there to represent their electorate? Why can't choosing no to be there be a way to represent their electorate?
Such is life.
Wonder if their constituents agree with them missing votes on state legislation. Sounds a lot to me like no representation on the part of a lot of Wisconsin citizens.
Well given that the outcome would have been the same either way, and at least this way the Democrats were able to delay the legislation and bring it to national attention, I'm sure their constituents are quite pleased. I would say that Walker's incredible drop in polls and the 65% rejection of his actions by the public of Wisconsin according to conservative polls, are further evidence of that, but I imagine the final tally will be clear after the recall elections.
The officials (Democrats) who support the unions (like the AFT) were elected just like the officials (Republicans) who support corporations (like horrible employer Wal-Mart) were elected.
Some of the public does want unions because...SURPRISE...union members are part of the public.
no wonder liberals got so seriously shellacked
meanwhile, public pensions AT THE STATE LEVEL ALONE are a full TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS underwater
debate THAT
The appropriate counterweight to elected officials is other elected officials. Not undemocratic institutions.
Great news for the Wisconsin Taxpayers
Wis. State Assembly Approves Bill Stripping Unions' Collective Bargaining Rights
Name one worthwhile education reform that teachers' unions have supported in the last 30 years, aside from those that directly benefited the teachers' union itself. And I'm not talking about grudgingly accepting certain reforms to avoid even more far-reaching reforms...I'd like to know one that they actually WANT, which doesn't benefit them personally.
Going to play the liberal game here, show me a link where union negotiations, were about any of the things you listed in your post
I'm crying. Oh wait...I forgot, this isn't a tyranny. We can change things.
Do you live in Wisconsin? The people there will have a chance to change directions again in 4 years. by that time we will see if the budget is better and jobs are being created. Those issues alone will change the poll numbers.
They will have a chance a lot sooner than that. There will be recall elections.
"Collective bargaining is a vehicle to improve services -- whether in education or other areas -- and it would hurt both workers and those they serve if that important right was lost.
Catawba said:For example, I recently proposed a way to strengthen teaching, by aligning comprehensive teacher evaluations with systems of due process. The proposal lays out a fair and expedient process to identify, improve and -- if necessary -- remove ineffective teachers.
Catawba said:It starts with rigorous evaluations -- the kind that many AFT unions are negotiating with their school district counterparts through the collective bargaining process. The next step is a time-limited, but real, improvement and support plan for teachers who need help -- also developed and implemented through labor-management cooperation. The final step is a hearing or adjudication process. All of this ensures that, within a finite period of time, teachers will be evaluated regularly based on agreed-upon standards of what they should know and be able to do, will receive help if they fall short of those standards, and will be removed from the classroom fairly and efficiently if they simply aren't cutting it.
We have begun working with administrators and others to fine-tune this proposal, with the goal of implementing it in schools and school districts quickly. And the best way to do this will be through the collective bargaining process, with frontline educators and school administrators sharing responsibility for this important undertaking.
Catawba said:This is but one example of the improvements that have come about in our schools by giving classroom educators a voice, and a vehicle through which to strengthen teaching and learning. From adapting the school day or year to allow for more instructional time, to maintaining reasonable class size to maximize that time, to securing wraparound services that ensure students' basic needs are met -- teachers and their unions are using the collective bargaining process in ways that help kids, boost the teaching profession and promote the public good.
Catawba said:In the end, it's a question of what kind of country we want. Do we want a country in which individuals are powerless, and hard-working people are denied the ability to earn decent wages and benefits? Americans resoundingly say "no." Yet attacks on workers, their unions and their rights continue to spread. Unlike a Colbert monologue, denying the ability of working people to improve services and secure a better life is no laughing matter."
You are misinformed. Teachers use their collective bargaining rights to improve reform and funding to address poor, inner-city minority students. Because the priority has been for other things such as corporate welfare, is not the fault of the educators. Without collective bargaining, education will be at the mercy of whatever the corporate elected officials decide it should be.
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