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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

Ah, a Job Creator speaks. As one who worked for a living close to fifty years, I'll call BS on that.
Everything that is good about this country was brought about by progressives, including the country itself. With out Unions, you'd still be packing your kids off to the mines or sweatshops, working 6 days a week,10 hours a day for straight time $$$ with no holidays or vacation. Complain & you had better have a nestegg saved because when your canned, there'll be no unemployment comp.
Wages in right to work states are the lowest in the country. Unions lift all boats. eace
johnny_rebson said:
It's time to go after ALL unions, public or private.

The sooner we bust the unions, the better this country will be.
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AdamT said:
The vast majority of Obama's fundraising comes from small donors. The vast majority of Romney's money comes from millionaires and billionaires.
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Just curious, but do you have a reliable source?
 
AdamT said:
President Obama winning battle for small donors - Boston.com
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Please quote where it says that a majority of Obama's funding has come from small donors.

EDIT: NVM found a reliable source:


53% of the president's pre-nomination money. It most definitely will not stay there throughout the election season, though I'm certainly surprised that it is as high as it is.
 
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If we're still talking about Walker, the Unions agreed to all the financial consessions he proposed (reluctantly) but as Walker later admitted, it wasn't about the $$$, it was about stripping Unions of their right to bargain in good faith.eace
 
These guys could certainly afford to...

"In addition to the $787,637 salary of Chief Administrative Officer Robert Rizzo, Bell pays Police Chief Randy Adams $457,000 a year, about 50% more than Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck or Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca and more than double New York City's police commissioner. Assistant City Manager Angela Spaccia makes $376,288 annually, more than most city managers."

"Rizzo would be entitled to a state pension of more than $650,000 per year for life, the Times said. That would make him the highest-paid retiree in the state pension system.

At age 62, when Rizzo could also begin receiving Social Security payments, his annual pension would rise to $976,771, topping $1 million two years later.

If he lives to age 83, his annual payout would rise to $1.48 million.

Adams could get more than $411,000 per year, and Spaccia, who is 51-year-old, could get as much as $250,000 a year when she reaches 55."

I'm sure they work hard for it though....I mean managing a city with a population of 35,000 and all...

http://reason.com/blog/2010/07/23/in-bell-ca-overpaid-city-offi?nomobile=1
 

Obama nearly has 10 times more money that Romney according to these donation figures. %57 of Obama donors still gave over $200. For all we know due to Obama's sheer amount of money that he has had more millionaires and corporations donating to him.
 
That's a talking point designed to trick those who would benefit from unions into opposeing them.eace
Grant said:
Labor Unions are huge multibillion dollar businesses run by thugs and supported through intimidation..

At one time they may have served a purpose but those days are long past.
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A union is a collective voice, formalized. What makes someone second class is when they can't do what others do. When you say one group can form a union, and another group can't, you are regulating that group to second class status.

Try following the argument.
 
eaceWrite your Congress peeps & tell them you want him/her to vote for an amendment to overturn "Citizens United" & to propose a bill the gets all private $$$ out of elections & vote for it. Return to the Tax check-off system.
I did both. For what it's worth. eace
Conservative said:
Guess it isn't a sad day when Obama outspent McCain 3-1 and won? You think the people are so stupid that their votes can be bought?
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This is insane. Try this on. When you tell someone that if they take the job, they must join the union, that is to take away their liberty. When you then automatically deduct money from their paychecks to support a political party, you take away more liberty. When you then use the threat of force on a taxpayer to pay you more money, you are now taking away the liberty of that taxpayer.

The people of Wisconsin spoke. They told the municipal unions that they were full of ****.

And frankly, I am tiring of the whiney liberal parasites myself.
 

At least America was respected by the rest of the world back then.
 
Walker kept his governor's seat. The people have spoken, and loudly.
 

I don't know anyone who blames public workers. Put the blame where it belongs: on the politicians and on the union bosses. If "everyone" was at the trough, we'd have rampant inflation. Never going to happen. And the way it is? The working stiff who pays faithfully into Social Security is getting priced out of his home (in those states who use property tax revenue to finance education).


Factory workers, retail clerks and, yes, even the UAW doesn't have the sweet deal that public sector employees have. Not anywhere near. All to buy those union votes -- and the contributions the unions make to the coffers of the Democrats to keep their butts in office.

jpevans said:
If we're still talking about Walker, the Unions agreed to all the financial consessions he proposed (reluctantly) but as Walker later admitted, it wasn't about the $$$, it was about stripping Unions of their right to bargain in good faith.eace
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No. They most assuredly did NOT agree, reluctantly or otherwise, to what Walker proposed. They gave lip service to it in the media, and, meanwhile, in Madison County, the unions and Democrats were rushing their contracts through without any concessions at all. Homework, Evans, homework.
 
Boo Radley said:
A union is a collective voice, formalized. What makes someone second class is when they can't do what others do. When you say one group can form a union, and another group can't, you are regulating that group to second class status.
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Apparently I am having my rights denied. Interesting.

Very well, Boo, I accept your logic. If teachers can invade Madison to protest budget cuts, then we shall see how well you favor it when I unionize the Marine Corps and we.... "invade"... Washington DC to lodge our protests over slashes to DOD funding. I'm betting a couple of tanks parked outside the capital and a BN of infantry guarding the exits would focus Congresscritters minds wonderfully on how Very Important It Is To Double Each Military Member's Pay Overnight Regardless Of The Effect On The Budget.



When portions of a government become an active political interest group, it represents a removal of sovereignty from the populace. It is Government by the Government for the Government.
 
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Oh, this is the be silly approach used when you can't address the actual points. I'm well aware of the tactics. However, as one who supports more to the solider, by all means, unionize. But we're not talking about themilitary. We're talking about civilians who do a job, like any other employee. I know that some don't think comparisons should be between things that are actually alike, as that wouldn't work as well for the false point they try to make. But, I insist they must actually be alike.

There has been no removal of soverity from the public. They can vote for any candidate who runs. They can made negotiating priority in the candidate they want. As I noted earlier, most states handle this rather well. But instead of blaming your leaders where they haven't done a good job, you seek to blame workers. Hence, the battle against workers.
 

First, I have not said the people haven't spoken. They have. Though I'd be slow to take too much from an vote that close.

What I have said, and you should read slowly, is that their right to unionize is the same as it is in the private sector. And when you try to deny them that right, you effectively regluate them to second class status. They don't have the same rights. What you fail to realize is that in the few states where problems of any significance has arisen, the blame is either equal or more so on the the other side of the negotiating table. If you think your leaders can be bribed, you'd do better to get another leader.
 
johnny_rebson said:
At least America was respected by the rest of the world back then.
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I can never understand how people can vote against their own interest. The ones that voted for the Gov were any of them the very people he's trying to destroy.
 

That's true, they served their purpose. Times have changed since then, as you said, largely do to union effort. Now, there are laws for what the unions fought for, and the unions are no longer needed. :shrug:
 
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