nijato
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The problem with wind is storage. Battery technology really limits a lot of non-fossil power sources and applications.And it's shocking that private industry isn't trying to get in and corner the market early before too many smart players take all the business.
And it's shocking that private industry isn't trying to get in and corner the market early before too many smart players take all the business.
What is "the market" for wind?
About 0.5% of the electricity market in the US.
About 2.3%
Energy policy of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What do you think it will be when oil reaches $6.00 per gallon? $8.00 per gallon?
If you wait until then to start thinking, how long will it take to get the business started while the nation experiences a depression that makes the last one look like a hiccup?
No worries, and you're very welcome.I stand corrected. You will forgive me, as the wind industry has been experiencing exponential growth the past several years. Perhaps I meant 0.5% of US energy consumption. In either case, I am clearly in error, and thank you for setting me straight.
I'm cool with oil so long as it's "USA Oil." In fact we'll need it for looong time to come, so we have to be careful about how we use it.My energy argument is best explained by people like Richard Heinberg and James Howard Kunstler: yes, civilization should pursue ALL energy options, from drilling to wind, to freaking fairie dust... but it ain't gonna matter one bit, 'cuz nothing beats the ER/EI ratio of high-pressure, shallow petroleum, and that's G-O-N-E gone, and it ain't coming back.
No worries, and you're very welcome.
I'm cool with oil so long as it's "USA Oil." In fact we'll need it for looong time to come, so we have to be careful about how we use it.
That's a pretty good energy argument. The more bat-killing windmills, solar plants, thermal plants, thorium reactors, tidal energy plants, and hydro-electric plants we build right here in the USA, the less chance a middle-eastern frontman for extremist, murdering thugs can tell us how much we'll be paying for our nation's life-blood. The sooner we get started, the sooner we can tell the whole lot of them to f**k off and die. Any middle-eastern country that wanted to play nice and fair with us can enjoy the fruits of an American economic revival based on purely American energy. The rest can pretend to be princes and go back to riding camels after their "Blood Mercedes" rots.
The problem with wind is storage. Battery technology really limits a lot of non-fossil power sources and applications.
Google is actually doing experiments where electric car battery banks serve as grid storage/load leveling.
If enough vehicles are electric, excess reserve capacity will represent a significant amount of storage. A car bank is BIG, enough to power your house in a blackout for a while. Its all experimental at this point, but shows promise.
Google is actually doing experiments where electric car battery banks serve as grid storage/load leveling.
If enough vehicles are electric, excess reserve capacity will represent a significant amount of storage. A car bank is BIG, enough to power your house in a blackout for a while. Its all experimental at this point, but shows promise.
I wonder if this method is legit or a scamThe more bat-killing windmills, solar plants, thermal plants, thorium reactors, tidal energy plants, and hydro-electric plants we build right here in the USA....
'cuz nothing beats the ER/EI ratio of high-pressure, shallow petroleum.
In addition to being screwed when the wind doesn't blow, you're SOL as soon as one lefty constituency collides with another.
At least in China, human beings turn off your power at night whether you want it turned off or not.
Windmills stopped at night after bat death - BostonHerald.com
And you know this how?Beats all the other scams we invest in. At least this one gets us clean power. Better that than, say, another $300 million fighter plane built for a war that will never be fought.
I see it now. Windmills, soon to be an endangered species.
"Underachiever" how? Because one windmill plant or one solar plant didn't solve the WHOLE problem? C'mon man!It's a scam. It's been an underachiever in every country it's been tried.
Part of the reason I know about this stuff is I'm researching how to EXACTLY THAT, but on a seriously limited budget. I want in on this goldmine before the "big guys" wake up and get their thumb out of their a**.Build a bunch with your own money and get back to us.
You're right, it's not free. There's no such thing as free energy. You always gotta spend energy to get energy. But this is certainly better than throwing it all in a hole and covering it up. This kind of forward thinking is what I expect from the US, what we're famous for. That's why I have no patience for those communist pansies who are always crying, "oh wee wee, it can't be done. It's too hard." Bull****! Americans CAN DO it and Americans WILL DO it. Mark my word.I wonder if this method is legit or a scam
Seems better than burning garbage for steam power.
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(no this isnt free energy, over-unity or whatever you call it)
I wonder how many people would be willing to shutdown a major freeway because of a dead animal.
Other than the slicing and dicing of endangered species not to mention all the regular birds, windmills can make lots of clean electricity. Catch is though, the wind doesn't always blow so you need the old reliable fossil fuel power plants right beside them ready to go. Catch with this is these things can't sit idly by unmanned and unpowered ready to go at a moments notice. They have to be up and running 24-7 so the windmills are basically just expensive and unreliable extra electricity. The fossil fuel plants need to be able to provide 100% of the power needed when the winds not blowing so the windmills become rather redundant.
The use of wind power will grow but I don't see it ever being a major contributor. If it got up to 10% I think that would be amazing. A big country like the U.S. needs a big power source. Nuclear seems to be the only viable source to replace coal, oil and natural gas. I think we can only use wind a solar as a supplement to that and we should.
rof Nuclear does.
You're right, it's not free. There's no such thing as free energy. You always gotta spend energy to get energy. But this is certainly better than throwing it all in a hole and covering it up. This kind of forward thinking is what I expect from the US, what we're famous for. That's why I have no patience for those communist pansies who are always crying, "oh wee wee, it can't be done. It's too hard." Bull****! Americans CAN DO it and Americans WILL DO it. Mark my word.
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