Fledermaus
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Yes, and how long did the attacks from 'mistaken identity' continue? You have absolutely no regard for the truth. Why were no Israelis called to testify in America? Why were no Americans called to testify in Israel? These are questions which should be simple enough to answer, even for you. You're not even honest enough to admit Israel's wrongdoings, wherever and whenever they occur. It's always someone else's fault, right? Like the alleged 'anti-Semites' (your favourite meme), in the UN. Arguing with zealots like you is like trying to explain Pythagoras' theorem to my dog. Pointless.
Practice reading comprehension before responding to avoid looking like an idiot.Riiiight, so eye-witnesses on board, including those injured, only knew what was happening to them after the event? Are you serious? If you're being shot at by an overflying jet, or machine-gunned from a patrol boat it's only later that you know what happened? Unbelievable.
Entirely possible.Hell. If folks really read for comprehension the latest "bombshell" (the NSA tapes) highlights the confusion as to the identity of the USS Liberty.
The crew members of LIBERTY would not have known what Israel did or didn’t know at the time of the incident. Much or all of their “knowledge” of events was acquired afterward. The most reliable information would be found in the investigation report.
The investigation report?
You mean a investigation report by a government with egg on it's face already?
The Liberty should have never been there in the first ****ing place.
Imperfect as you believe the report to be, the people involved in investigating the incident had a great deal more information regarding the cause and sequences of the incident than any sailor onboard LIBERTY. That was my point.
You’re having a real problem with reading comprehension. For the third time, I’m saying that at the time of the incident onboard LIBERTY, crew members did not know why what was happening was happening.Those sailors were not made privy to the findings..... huh?
I beg to differ.
The lawyers of the dead members and surviving member families were not made privy to a lot of information?
Prove it.
You’re having a real problem with reading comprehension. For the third time, I’m saying that at the time of the incident onboard LIBERTY, crew members did not know why what was happening was happening.
You’ve already made clear in your last post that you don’t trust the report, and now you’re suggesting that surviving members and their families were made privy to information contained in the report you don’t trust.
Earlier in this thread you said that you have talked with crew members, but after reading your posts it’s clear to me (retired USN also) that you’re full of ****. You did a little reading, made up a story with yourself in it and now you’re trying to peddle your fiction.
Have fun, I’m not wasting anymore time with you.
Yes, and how long did the attacks from 'mistaken identity' continue? You have absolutely no regard for the truth. Why were no Israelis called to testify in America? Why were no Americans called to testify in Israel? These are questions which should be simple enough to answer, even for you. You're not even honest enough to admit Israel's wrongdoings, wherever and whenever they occur. It's always someone else's fault, right? Like the alleged 'anti-Semites' (your favourite meme), in the UN. Arguing with zealots like you is like trying to explain Pythagoras' theorem to my dog. Pointless.
I think my best strategy is to ignore you. That way you can enjoy arguing with yourself. Have fun:2wave:
More questions than answers; suffice it to say that I believe there is more to the USS Liberty incident than we have been told. If you are interested there are more than enough pages of questions regarding this “accident.”
Our leaders at the top allowed the Liberty to be shot to hell and the sailors killed. Then demanded the survivors stay silent.
How did they "allow" the attack.
Please be clear an concise.
Remembering the USS Liberty — RT CrossTalk
An attack... hidden, and sanctioned to those who love America..... as they own it..... in fact!
Fighter aircraft were launched to defend the Liberty but they were called back.
Alan Hart: Israel’s Attack on the USS Liberty, the Full Story (from 2012) – Veterans Today | Military Foreign Affairs Policy Journal for Clandestine Services
At 0720 hours Lieutenant James Ennes replaced Scott as the Officer of the Deck. By now everybody on the Liberty was well aware that their ship was being examined very, very carefully. The first thing Ennes did was to order a new flag (measuring five feet by eight feet) to be run up the main mast. The old one had been badly sooted on the journey from Rota.
A deliberate attack, on Americans, but an attempt by Israel to start WW3, Russia made it clear, they would support Syria..... just as they do today.
Just as the American Wesley Clark stated seven countries in five years...... for and on behalf of those who own the American sovereignty, its military, secret services and Americas sons, and who's thieving fingers are all over American tax payers money.
I completely agree with your analysis of the circumstances surrounding the murderious attack on American sailors and marines.
June 8, 1967: USS Liberty attacked by Israel in international waters (Video)
Former US military and political officials said they had been ordered to put the lid on the controversy surrounding the USS Liberty attack. "We were never to speak of it and we were to caution everyone else involved that they could never speak of it again," said former court Adm. Isaac C. Kidd.
One must remember, that the truth must be hidden, from Americans.... they too might realise the USS Liberty, the bay of Tonkin, the twin towers, the assassination of JFK, building seven, the pentagon, and a 747 flew through a seven foot window, leaving the next window, intact, aye.... lets remember the death of American, Freedom Liberty and Equality..... your not entitled to any of your forefathers demands......!
Israel apologized and paid reparations. The US government accepted both. How long can this horse be beat to death?
So did JFK. JFK also supported the right of return for Palestinian refugees.
They apologized for it as an accident, right? OP's theory seems plausible and deserving of investigation. If he's right, it doesn't mean Israel can't remain an ally. It just means the truth comes out, if that is the truth, much as we know Britain lied to us to get us into, IIRC, WWI. No doubt they'd even scapegoat a local commander for the decision.
We do know that Israel lied to JFK his whole presidency about their pursuit of a nuclear bomb.
Alan Hart: Israel’s Attack on the USS Liberty, the Full Story (from 2012) – Veterans Today | Military Foreign Affairs Policy Journal for Clandestine Services
At 0720 hours Lieutenant James Ennes replaced Scott as the Officer of the Deck. By now everybody on the Liberty was well aware that their ship was being examined very, very carefully. The first thing Ennes did was to order a new flag (measuring five feet by eight feet) to be run up the main mast. The old one had been badly sooted on the journey from Rota.
A deliberate attack, on Americans, but an attempt by Israel to start WW3, Russia made it clear, they would support Syria..... just as they do today.
Just as the American Wesley Clark stated seven countries in five years...... for and on behalf of those who own the American sovereignty, its military, secret services and Americas sons, and who's thieving fingers are all over American tax payers money.
Worst kept secret.
Working with apartheid South Africa on it is pretty disgusting though.
Shows a certain level of......lack of scruples that makes conspiracy theories like this one ever so slightly more plausible.
Hell, the Israelis were willing to work with Skorzeny, of all people.
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