Will the right wing blame game work this time?

thinkingitthru · Jul 21, 2017

eohrnberger said:
"once you create a major social program, it is political death to try to un-create it"

That's spot on. Once addicted to government handouts, many gladly give up much just to keep them coming. Of course once addicted to a government handout, government controls a part of your life, not individual

As you become ever more dependent, you end up giving any and all control of your life. Must be that some want to be a ward of the state, rather than make their own decisions and be responsible for them.

18 Stats That Prove That Government Dependence Has Reached Epidemic Levels

President Obama Admits Welfare Encourages Dependency

At some point in time in the future, we as a nation may very well find ourselves in the dreadful position that we can't afford to support all those who have become dependent, and then kicking the government handout addiction is going to be more painful and more severe than if we had avoided the addiction in the first place.

If you are honest with yourself, you know this point in the future is coming. You just have to look at the ever increasing spending on 'mandatory' social services of the non-discretionary part of the national budget and the ever increasing national debit. Infinite increases in either isn't sustainable.

I looked up your first reference and found that the site is created by Ivandiiski a criminal hedge fund analyst found guilty of insider trading in 2008. articles are written under the pseudonym name of "Tyler Durden". this name came from a character in the movie Fight Club. Basically 3 people have been writing under the pseudonym, Tim Backshall (Credit Derivative Strategist), Ivandiiski and Colin Lokey. Colin left the group last year stating that he just could not take be a 24 hr. cheerleader for Hezbollan, Moscow, Tehran, Bejing and TRUMP! This site is registered in Bulgaria.

I felt that after looking up your initial site that it was enough said about your resources for information. Are you looking to be a comrade then? Do you think we should all be poor? It looks as though you have fallen into the trap that the folks at the top of the money chain want you to do and that is to look at the poor as being the problem. Really it is the mega rich that are the problem. Their greed is killing the world.

Casca XV · Jul 21, 2017

jghiretire said:
I agree with you - the blame game is ridiculous. Trump is weak - a strong man could stand up and say - "I screwed up" Trump never can. He does not care about the citizens - just himself.

Specify how Trump screwed up on this?

Mac77 · Jul 21, 2017

JamesBY said:
The libs to the left of the mainstream dems are a minority of their party but hold far too many important positions. Perez has to go. Schumer has to go. Pelosi has to go.

If any of those names steps down I think an even more radical person will take their place

The democrat base if very leftwing

Mac77 · Jul 21, 2017

JamesBY said:
Thank you for being honest. McConnell and Ryan are safe from the far right, which is not the base of the Party.

The republican party is completely fractured into 3 wings

Moderarates in very liberal states like susan collins in Maine, real conservatives like rand paul or ted cruz and the jaded, corrupt swamp creatures in congress and on K street who have no principles at all

And just one goal as their agenda - to get reelected

JamesBY · Jul 21, 2017

Mac77 said:
If any of those names steps down I think an even more radical person will take their place

The democrat base if very leftwing

I think you are wrong. Time will tell.

We need the Ryans, Perrys, Santorums, Gingriches to stop down, and let the mainstream leaders toward the center take over.

Mac77 · Jul 21, 2017

JamesBY said:
I think you are wrong. Time will tell.

We need the Ryans, Perrys, Santorums, Gingriches to stop down, and let the mainstream leaders toward the center take over.

I don't think common ground is possible if you think ryan is a rightwinger

He used to be a conservative maybe 10 years ago

But now he is an inside washington anti trump swamp creature who would have happily worked with president clinton if she had been elected

presluc · Jul 21, 2017

Gonzo Rodeo said:
I'm saying it's an awfully convenient excuse to blame the Republicans as the minority party in 2008 who stopped the major party, and then suddenly shut up about minority parties when it's the other guys.

Look if my car catches on fire the first thing I'm going to do is put out the fire not to blame somebody for starting it.

America is currently over 15 trillion in debt we owe other nations including the Chinese which we owe 1.5 billion to, credit card debt is there, while year after year the American people are ask to deal with budget cuts working people like teachers are ask to deal the salary cuts.
Exports from America XX, imports to America XXXXXX. Trade deficit is also there by the way.
The U.S. government , Federal, State and Local are all scrambling for more income yet outsourcing continues to grow .
However from every American paycheck taxes are taken out automatically American workers pay taxes, buy things put money into circulation,Cheap foreign labor does not

However it has been said that it is not the responsibility of Corporations to hire American labor that is true.
It is also not the responsibility of the American consumer "which is the American labor" to buy American products that old "be patriotic ,buy American" kind of left with the jobs .

Now I could list American corporations that "well" ain't exactly well off today but short list for ya .
Chrysler controlling stock owned by Fiat
GM. lol
Retail sales think Walmart think ,a lot of products from China made the Forbes listeace

presluc · Jul 21, 2017

Mac77 said:
I would argue that liberals are the minority point of view in politics siince many are far, far to the left of center.

But what good would it do?

We are never going to agree on that

No good at all until we get these politicians to start thinking less about the good of their political party and more about the good of America and the American people all the American people.eace

presluc · Jul 21, 2017

example a link from Yahoo news , doesn't count those are cherry picked
A link from CNN Fake news not reliable

I grow tired of researching links only for some to say not true or fake news or unreliable.

I would ask a Question this was a quote from President Trump which I quoted was it a misquote???
There is the law called libel research that, get back to me.eace

presluc · Jul 21, 2017

Mac77 said:
I am a conservative republican because I think that is best for America.

Being an independent - sometimes left, sometimes right - and NEVER alligned with either poltical party accomplishes nothing

Because the left is not interested in compromise

And increasingly neither is the conservative republican base who is ready to throw mcconnell and paul ryan overboard because they ssem to let democrats obstruct the trump agenda

As I said I am an Independent voter so if either Independent, Republican or Democrat does well for the progress of America "my country" and dose well for the American people I will praise them and give them my thanks
However if any political party makes a mistake or is leading America away from progress and the American people away from prosperity then I will question and criticize their judgement and their leadership, I walk no party line, sir neither am I a yes man to any political party.
For no matter what paint, what you use ,no matter how hard you try, no political party can be right all the time, just as no political party can be wrong all the time.
As for me I am human first, American second and my support will go to the good actions of a politician , not words sir, ACTIONS.eace

presluc · Jul 21, 2017

Mycroft said:
Trump has said over and over...send me something...I'll sign it. Even after 7 years of wanting to outright repeal Obamacare, those congressmen won't send him something. So it is NOT about Trump not cooperating with Congress.

Perhaps the Democrats can propose something that effectively fixes Obamacare...instead of proposing stuff to attack Trump? Heck, it doesn't matter if the Republicans shoot them down. They and their Mainstream Media could very easily use it as a weapon against the Republican Congress. But they won't...and the reason is clear.

The Democrats don't want to fix Obamacare any more than the Republican Congress wants to fix...or repeal...it. They are ALL maintaining their Uniparty status quo and they'll continue to play their games to fool YOU into thinking otherwise.

What are you saying Trump just found out that being president ain't easy Hell I could have told him that , what next is he going to say fixing a health care bill is hard "WAIT A MINUTE"? he already has.eace

Like Trump and the Republicans never attack Democrats? lol

Democrats have to grow some part of their anatomy before fooling me at least, but they sure are fooling the Republicans.

Mycroft · Jul 21, 2017

presluc said:
What are you saying Trump just found out that being president ain't easy Hell I could have told him that , what next is he going to say fixing a health care bill is hard "WAIT A MINUTE"? he already has.eace

Like Trump and the Republicans never attack Democrats? lol

Democrats have to grow some part of their anatomy before fooling me at least, but they sure are fooling the Republicans.

Sounds to me like both the Congressional Republicans AND Democrats have fooled you.

Fenton Lum · Jul 21, 2017

presluc said:
Well for those of you who don't know me, I am an Independent voter.

As for as the name of this thread I say no, the blame game will not work .

I was cruising through the news when I saw President Trump talking he sounded upset about the Republican health bill not passing again.
The first Republican health bill was submitted it failed , now another Republican health bill failed.

However that is not what this thread is about.

It's about a statement made by the President of the United States,
The statement " IT'S THE DEMOCRATS FAULT",a statement that is well at the very least questionable at the most WELL?

I ask this question, How can it be the Democrats fault, since the Democrats are a weak ass party?
Then another question, How can it be the Democrats fault since the Republicans have a Republican president, a Republican administration, a Republican majority in the House , a Republican majority in the senate???

So how can you blame somebody for a mistake you made in government when you have the control of government??

I did state on another post the Republican party better do good cause there's nobody out here left to blame.eace

Ladies and gentlemen I await your comments on this issue.eace

Sorry, but this guilt, sin, blame game is american, not partisan; "both" your sides do this nonsense and nothing else.

Moderate Right · Jul 21, 2017

JamesBY said:
The Republicans need to make it a Republican plan. And, yes, it can be easily fixed. Your comment that "only Democratic partisan fixes" will work is a silly statement.

But how do YOU think it should be fixed, or do you want to just criticize?

JamesBY · Jul 21, 2017

Moderate Right said:
But how do YOU think it should be fixed, or do you want to just criticize?

I want the GOP to do what it campaigned on. Don't you? Are you Republican?

JamesBY · Jul 21, 2017

Mac77 said:
I don't think common ground is possible if you think ryan is a rightwinger

He used to be a conservative maybe 10 years ago

But now he is an inside washington anti trump swamp creature who would have happily worked with president clinton if she had been elected

Trump is also a swamp creature.

Moderate Right · Jul 21, 2017

JamesBY said:
I want the GOP to do what it campaigned on. Don't you? Are you Republican?

Why do you keep on dodging the question? Are you saying you want a clean repeal and replaced with nothing? What do you want to happen, specifically?

JamesBY · Jul 21, 2017

Moderate Right said:
Why do you keep on dodging the question? Are you saying you want a clean repeal and replaced with nothing? What do you want to happen, specifically?

You are dodging, Moderate Right. You really are not a Republican, are you? Trump and many GOP did not campaign on Repeal only, and you know that. What you don't have to worry is that there will never be a Repeal only success.

Moderate Right · Jul 21, 2017

JamesBY said:
You are dodging, Moderate Right. You really are not a Republican, are you? Trump and many GOP did not campaign on Repeal only, and you know that. What you don't have to worry is that there will never be a Repeal only success.

You are the one who is dodging. You have never once said what it is you specifically want. All you do is attack Republicans like you are a rabid liberal partisan while trying to convince me that you are actually a Republican.

Grand Mal · Jul 21, 2017

Gonzo Rodeo said:
Really? The right wing blame game?

The left couldn't pass what they really wanted with their supermajority, and that was the Republican's dastardly doing....

And the Democrats can't figure out the simple trick they used? And they're supposed to be the smart ones?

No. The topic of the thread is the Republican majority and their inability to get something done. You can deflect to previous Democratic failures but not in in the second post. You have to wait for the third page.
Sorry, that's just the rules.

Mac77 · Jul 22, 2017

presluc said:
No good at all until we get these politicians to start thinking less about the good of their political party and more about the good of America and the American people all the American people.eace

Career politicians only care about their party to the extent that it affect them

Mitch mcconnell or nancy pelosi only need their party to put them in leadership positions

Though I do give democrats some credit for being more ideologically driven than republicans

Many dems really do want to impose a socailist system on America with the power they get whereas most republican leaders just want the power for its own sake

And its almost a tossup as to which one I despise more

Mac77 · Jul 22, 2017

presluc said:
As I said I am an Independent voter so if either Independent, Republican or Democrat does well for the progress of America "my country" and dose well for the American people I will praise them and give them my thanks

However if any political party makes a mistake or is leading America away from progress and the American people away from prosperity then I will question and criticize their judgement and their leadership, I walk no party line, sir neither am I a yes man to any political party.
For no matter what paint, what you use ,no matter how hard you try, no political party can be right all the time, just as no political party can be wrong all the time.
As for me I am human first, American second and my support will go to the good actions of a politician , not words sir, ACTIONS.eace

And yet you hate trump?

The only independent president America has had in your lifetime?

trump was not wanted or supported by the republican establishment

They picked jeb bush or john kassich because both were lapdogs to the republican party

Trump was an outsider and not beholden to the republilcans

This is independents one chance in a million to beat the established parties and you are turning your backs on it

Mac77 · Jul 22, 2017

JamesBY said:
Trump is also a swamp creature.

Trump has never lived in the swamp before jan 20

He is still very much an outsider

Gonzo Rodeo · Jul 22, 2017

Grand Mal said:
No. The topic of the thread is the Republican majority and their inability to get something done. You can deflect to previous Democratic failures but not in in the second post. You have to wait for the third page.
Sorry, that's just the rules.

presluc said:
Look if my car catches on fire the first thing I'm going to do is put out the fire not to blame somebody for starting it.

If somebody wants to say "Those Republicans are MURDERERS!", in an effort to show how badly they are doing, I don't think it's off-topic or inappropriate to point out all of the recent cases of Democrats committing murder.

The real topic is bad government, which have been plagued with for decades. If you want to talk about just one of the symptoms of the disease, then you can't see the forest through the trees.

ludin · Jul 22, 2017

bearpoker said:
Republicans will blame everything on the Democrats because that's the only thing they know how do do. Their skill set is very limited. Poor babies. It will work with their base because they believe everything the right wing media tells them. It won't work with the rest of us. That's why the Republicans would really like to fix things so that only their base gets to vote.

the irony of this post is simply amazing.

Will the right wing blame game work this time?

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