Will the document scandal cost Biden re-election?

[DrewPaul]

I think it dooms his chances...

 

[Cardinal]

There's zero chance this has legs all the way to the end of 2024. Zero. If something does cost him re-election, this isn't the thing that's gonna do it.

Take a trip out of your right wing infobubble. It's fun. We've got beer and hamburgers.

 

[noonereal]

I think it dooms his chances...

You have got to be kidding.

 

[DrewPaul]

There's zero chance this has legs all the way to 2004. Zero. If something does cost him re-election, this isn't the thing that's gonna do it.

Take a trip out of your right wing infobubble. It's fun. We've got beer and hamburgers.

I assume you mean to 24. Which actually isn't far away. Who knows how long independent counsels will take? Even if the story dies for months it will resurrect come election time. Sure Joe won't remember what its about but everyone else who's cognitive will.

 

[Cardinal]

You have got to be kidding.

This is called "getting caught up in the moment."

 

[NatMorton]

No, this will not cost him the election. The most it does it tamp down his “mishandling classified documents” attacks on Trump.

 

[Big Brother]

If the establishment still wants Joe Biden there for another term, they will make it happen.

 

[Mr Person]

In 2024, when Trump is still litigating this to death, insisting both that he had them and that they were planted, that he owns them so it was wrong to take them back but that he also didn't have them? That sort of shit?

Unless Team Biden's infuriating ****-up leads to a web of criminality and corruption - lol but keep dreaming, Trumpists - you know, hundreds of millions of fraud, murders, the like. Unless something like that, I don't see how it changes the calculus assuming it's Biden v. Trump 2024.

Sure, Democrat turning helped. But Republicans saw historical turnout too. What matters is what the people who held their noses and voted Biden thing, especially the ones who voted GOP/third party down ticket while casting their Biden vote. And I don't see how this changes their perspective. Biden is still by far the least worst choice.

Pure idealists may quail, but how many pure idealists are in the kind of pragmatists that swung it for Biden? Not many, methinks.




At any rate, they're both being investigated. Charges may or may not be brought. We'll see. Anyone who says Biden did the same thing is lying, and doing it for partisan reasons. It's that simple. The statutes define what is qualified and "oops" doesn't cut it. The ones in play focus on wilful misconduct.

"Oh shit oh shit oh shit, here, take them, do your investigation" is "oops".

"I didn't take them except I took them because they're mine and I didn't have them because you must have planted them but you had no right to take them" is not "oops", especially playing it out over 1.5 years.

No, this will not cost him the election. The most it does it tamp down his “mishandling classified documents” attacks on Trump.

You should probably just "ask questions" of a lot of people about that until they roll their eyes and walk away, then tell yourself that you have owned the libs by proving that the two completely different things are identical.

 

[noonereal]

No, this will not cost him the election. The most it does it tamp down his “mishandling classified documents” attacks on Trump.

agree and this is a shame as the two situations are so different.

 

[DrewPaul]

You have got to be kidding.

Who's kidding who? His polls have been hovering at Trump levels for 2 years. Its not like he was a strong candidate even when he won.

 

[noonereal]

Who's kidding who? His polls have been hovering at Trump levels for 2 years. Its not like he was a strong candidate even when he won.

Did you forget your question?

 

[BirdinHand]

No.


Step away from QAnon echo chambers.

 

[Callen]

Depends how it comes out. If he had neither knowledge nor intent then it won't matter at all. Of course if it comes out that he did this willfully and with bad intent that is different. My sense is that he had neither knowledge nor intent but we will see.

The huge level of indignation is with those who would never vote for him anyhow.

 

[Lutherf]

I think it dooms his chances...

Why would it hurt his chances? He is neither a Republican nor a Trump supporter and THAT is what matters in an election. If there is anything that hurts Biden it is that he is old and white when America is in dire need of non-binary people of color in high offices.

 

[upsideguy]

I think it dooms his chances...

This will not even be an issue in 3 months. These things are counted in news cycles. There are almost two years of news cycles ahead of us with plenty more controversy, corruption, foreign and domestic crises yet to to come, many of which will be created by the Republican house as they will surely continue to fire the bazooka that they have aimed at their feet. Then there is Trump, who can't but keep himself from being the center of attention nor can he stay inside normal decorum or even the law. He will surely grab spotlight himself, even if he isn't indicted (which I believe he will be).

This thing is overblown and has no legs to sustain it. People should just enjoy to moment as this is a trivia question in two years.

 

[Cardinal]

I assume you mean to 24.

We don't have time travel (that we're AWARE of), so yeah.

Which actually isn't far away.

It might as well be a thousand years away, what with there being over forty news cycles between now and the election.

Who knows how long independent counsels will take?

Since Biden is fully cooperating? Not long. With Trump sure to stretch out his own investigation for as long as possible, he's the one who'll most likely be in the spotlight come election time.

Even if the story dies for months it will resurrect come election time.

Yes, Fox News will re-report old news stories as if they're new. The same thing happened with the laptop for over two years, and as you can recall, that story didn't have legs either.

Sure Joe won't remember what its about but everyone else who's cognitive will.

I love being reminded every day that our old, feckless senile President made Trump a one-termer.

 

[Josie]

On the contrary, I think it will be used by Democrats to push Biden to not run at all.

 

[Mr Person]

Who's kidding who? His polls have been hovering at Trump levels for 2 years. Its not like he was a strong candidate even when he won.

He was strong lined up against Trump. If you're all gonna run Trump again, same dynamic.

"But here's a thing which is sort of vaguely on half of the four points required for comparison" simply isn't going to cut it.

Then again, you're the dude alleging that Biden went Mission Impossible to get the documents:

Biden stole the documents found laying unsecured in several places. He wasn't president, he didn't have the authority to take classified material with him or the authority to declassify them.

At any rate, your Trump vote is a sunk cost. It doesn't really matter what you think. The people who swung to him only because of who awful Trump is who matters.

 

[Mr Person]

Biden stole the documents found laying unsecured in several places. He wasn't president, he didn't have the authority to take classified material with him or the authority to declassify them.

I love being reminded every day that our old, feckless senile President made Trump a one-termer.

I love the thought that they hate the left because they really do simultaneously believe we're the most utterly incompetent ****wits in the history of creation and nonetheless manage to spank them from here to eternity with every last one of our unstoppable unprovable conspiracies.

I mean.. that's a compliment, even if it was ran through a few blenders.



Our 80ish year old senile dude can apparently school Ethan Hunt.

 

[Slavister]

I think it dooms his chances...

... because R's are extemely concerned about POTUS having classified documents after they leave office?

 

[DrewPaul]

He was strong lined up against Trump. If you're all gonna run Trump again, same dynamic.

You might be right about that. Trump gives Biden the best chance to win and Biden (especially now) gives Trump the best chance to win.

Then again, you're the dude alleging that Biden went Mission Impossible to get the documents:

You think he was authorized to take classified docs home and just leave them anywhere?

At any rate, your Trump vote is a sunk cost. It doesn't really matter what you think. The people who swung to him only because of who awful Trump is who matters.

I hope neither runs or wins primaries. No question in my mind other dems will jump in now. Maybe his own VP will.

 

[Cardinal]

It's extraordinary. A debate forum filled with nothing but political nerds and still almost nobody has figured out how scandals and news cycles work.

You know who does know how scandals and news cycles work? Biden. He has made sure that what happened to Clinton is not gonna happen to him.

 

[Lutherf]

This will not even be an issue in 3 months. It is a very overplayed issue today. These things are counted in news cycles. There are almost two years of news cycles ahead of us with plenty more controversy, corruption, foreign and domestic crises yet to to come, many of which will be created by the Republican house as they will surely continue to fire the bazooka that they have aimed at their feet. Then there is Trump, who can't but keep himself from being the center of attention nor can he stay inside normal decorum or even the law. He will grab spotlight himself, even if he isn't indicted (which I believe he will be).

This thing is overblown and has no legs to sustain it. People should just enjoy to moment as this is a trivia question in two years.

That's all true. Nobody even associates Biden with Afghanistan any more and that issue was all over the news a couple of years ago.

 

[justoneman]

I think it dooms his chances...

There already was no way, Biden was going to run for re-election anyway. The document issue came about having little to do with Biden and more to do with people who are actually pulling the strings. The real question to ask is why did any of this come to light? All of this was initiated after the results of the election. Democrats lost control of the House. The Republicans announced their interests in investigating all records having to do with the management of classified documents. The powers that be, decided to get out in front of this issue that was going to get discovered anyway. They are cutting Joe Biden free. He is now on his own.

 

[Lovebug]

No, for several reasons. We are having multiple threads on this topic but will soon pay attention to a more shiny object.
Also, if Biden runs and the Rs nominate Trump, it becomes a non issue.
It might still be something to talk about only if the Rs run another person. Idk.