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Will someone remind me again how the elleged "Gay Rights" movement doesn't affect me?

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City of Houston demands pastors turn over sermons | Fox News

"The city of Houston has issued subpoenas demanding a group of pastors turn over any sermons dealing with homosexuality, gender identity or Annise Parker, the city’s first openly lesbian mayor. And those ministers who fail to comply could be held in contempt of court."

No, this has no effect on me at all....
 
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I certainly WILL take your side on this. :shock:

Without having any back story on what's going on in Houston, I fail to see how there's not some serious violations of rights going on there.

A church leader should be able to preach on any and all subjects they deem to be worthy of talking about regardless of who it offends outside their church walls. Nobody is forced to enter any church any where. People go in there freely and openly.

What could be going on in Houston that's worse than what's going on in Utah or Kansas? (FLDS & Westboro)
 
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Dragonfly said:
I certainly WILL take your side on this. :shock:

Without having any back story on what's going on in Houston, I fail to see how there's not some serious violations of rights going on there.

A church leader should be able to preach on any and all subjects they deem to be worthy of talking about regardless of who it offends outside their church walls. Nobody is forced to enter any church any where. People go in there freely and openly.

What could be going on in Houston that's worse than what's going on in Utah or Kansas? (FLDS & Westboro)
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Well, knock me over with a feather.

And what the hell is FLDS and Westboro? Are they also subpoenaing sermons?
 
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Houston Mayor Backs Off From Subpoenas to Pastors

Found this:

AUSTIN, Texas -- Houston Mayor Annise Parker has backed down from the subpoenas the City of Houston issued to several area pastors, Breitbart Texas has learned.
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As reported by KTRH Mayor Parker admitted that the subpoenas were too broad, and that the pastors' sermons should not have been included. "It’s not about what did you preach on last Sunday," she said. "It should have been clarified, it will be clarified." City Attorney David Feldman had an odd admission of his own: that he had not reviewed the subpoenas before they were issued. "When I looked at it I felt it was overly broad, I would not have worded it that way myself," said Feldman. "It's unfortunate that it has been construed as some effort to infringe upon religious liberty."
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Appears things, for the time being, are as they should be.
 
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This is a huge no no in my book. There should be no actions like this to cause a chilling effect
 
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it's just me said:
And this has what to do with the price of eggs?
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Oi....:roll:

If nobody is insisting they (FLDS & Westboro) submit their sermons to legal authorities, why should anyone care about what pastors in other LESS EXTREME churches are preaching about?
 
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It is always interesting what happens when a rights movement really starts to get things done. Why does every rights movement go to far in the end?
 
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Henrin said:
It is always interesting what happens when a rights movement really starts to get things done. Why does every rights movement go to far in the end?
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Pendulum effect.

Momentum.
 
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Henrin said:
It is always interesting what happens when a rights movement really starts to get things done. Why does every rights movement go to far in the end?
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Some start too far to begin with, like the folks who push the cult of Roth/Mises as an economic/political system.
 
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RAMOSS said:
Some start too far to begin with, like the folks who push the cult of Roth/Mises as an economic/political system.
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Whatever you think of my ideology you can not deny that all rights movements get out of control at some point.
 
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If you are an activist either for or against a movement, of course you are affected by it. If I'm understanding this correctly, these churches were all actively engaged in fighting this ordnance. Churches that were not actively engaged were not given a subpoena. So, I think that using this as evidence that the gay rights movement can affect you is a little disingenuous. It can affect you if you actively engage in fighting against that movement. But that's not a gay rights issue, that would be true even if what they were fighting against were: immigration, gun control, taxation, racism, or anything else. Fighting against a movement will affect you. it's kind of understood when you get into a fight that the other side will fight back. This has nothing to do with gay rights, it has to do with the risks you take on when you become the leader of a political movement of any kind.
 
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Dragonfly said:
Oi....:roll:

If nobody is insisting they (FLDS & Westboro) submit their sermons to legal authorities, why should anyone care about what pastors in other LESS EXTREME churches are preaching about?
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Because the other guys are not in Houston?
 
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"You will be made to care" becomes more true every day.
 
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it's just me said:
Will someone remind me again how the elleged "Gay Rights" movement doesn't affect me?
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It gay people gain equality, it really doesn't effect you.

With regard to your bait and switch op, the subpoenas will be denied, first amendment, end if story

So it still doesn't effect you. There is no real story here, a mayor is going to humiliate herself.

Explain to me, how the gay rights movement has effected you?
 
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it's just me said:
City of Houston demands pastors turn over sermons | Fox News

"The city of Houston has issued subpoenas demanding a group of pastors turn over any sermons dealing with homosexuality, gender identity or Annise Parker, the city’s first openly lesbian mayor. And those ministers who fail to comply could be held in contempt of court."

No, this has no effect on me at all....
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it actualkly doesnt affect you at all.

On the surface based on spectacular Headlines yes it seems shady. And if the subpoenas were SOLELY about finding out if religion was bashing something (which is their 100% right that i would defend) then yes this would be a HUGE issue.

BUT since its not, its not really an issue.

Its about seeing if these people broke the law.

You know how it would be illegal for my church to sponsor a politician or to have illegal involvement in other campaign, voting processes this is the same thing.

There may have been miss conduct on these churches to get signatures or to group participation in a voting process.

Now laws on this vary from place to place so I dont know all the ins and outs but thats whats going on right now.

Again though if this was just a witch hunt then id be with you, People are free to discuss and preach about whatever they want and I wouldn't want anybody trying to dictate what happened in my church BUT there are laws that cant be broken and thats what this is about currently, not just speech but possible illegal voting activity and meddling.
We'll see if this changes.

so to answer your post, no equal rights for gays doesnt affect you at all
 
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CLAX1911 said:
It gay people gain equality, it really doesn't effect you.

With regard to your bait and switch op, the subpoenas will be denied, first amendment, end if story

So it still doesn't effect you. There is no real story here, a mayor is going to humiliate herself.

Explain to me, how the gay rights movement has effected you?
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If you have been reading my posts, you know how it affects me.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...no-longer-sign-marriage-licenses-w-174-a.html

I am getting sick of having propagandists like you tell me what affects me and what does not. You sound like that idiot in the White House telling me that if I like my plan I can keep my plan.
 
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Treeshepherd said:
“The doctrine of equality! There exists no more poisonous poison: for it seems to be preached by justice itself, while it is the end of justice.” - Nietzsche
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Nietzche didn't believe in justice AT ALL ...
 
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it's just me said:
If you have been reading my posts, you know how it affects me.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...no-longer-sign-marriage-licenses-w-174-a.html

I am getting sick of having propagandists like you tell me what affects me and what does not. You sound like that idiot in the White House telling me that if I like my plan I can keep my plan.
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Huh, interesting.

It still doesn't affect you.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Huh, interesting.

It still doesn't affect you.
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As if you would know.

Okay, I'll bite, tell me how it doesn't affect me, I'll wait.
 
Re: Will someone remind me again how the elleged "Gay Rights" movement doesn't affect

Some people chose to be affected. Some people allow themselves to be affected. Some people want to be affected.

I can chose to be affected by the divorces or marriages of the Kartrashian family if that's what floats my boat.

Surely you can understand how a deeply bigoted religious zealot is going to be affected by all of society becoming more and more forgiving and accepting of all people. That's the cross they chose to bear. So be it. They've made that choice.

Some people will never accept certain things that the rest of the world accepts. So they will be affected by it.

Guess what though, that's life.

On some things we all just have to "man up" and move on.

For a religious person, eventually it should be enough to just allow judgement to fall where it's supposed to.
Which isn't what christians on Earth should be doing, but many are just gigantic hypocrites.
 
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