Will NG be held to LEO standards?

[Stealers Wheel]

Just a question: As far as I know, NG are not trained in law enforcement. They are trained for combat. So, now that NG are patrolling Washington, DC, I wonder how their behavior will be judged.

If they see someone with a gun and they immediately gun them down, (routinely done in combat) which applies, US civilian laws or the UCMJ?

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Just a question: As far as I know, NG are not trained in law enforcement. They are trained for combat. So, now that NG are patrolling Washington, DC, I wonder how their behavior will be judged.

If they see someone with a gun and they immediately gun them down, (routinely done in combat) which applies, US civilian laws or the UCMJ?

I would imagine when operating under orders the UCMJ always applies. They would likely have rules of engagement spelled out beforehand that detail what to do in an encounter based on the facts of the situation.

Deviations from those ROEs would be punishable under the UCMJ, with punishments varying depending on the amount and level of deviation.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Pffft.

No.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

I would imagine when operating under orders the UCMJ always applies. They would likely have rules of engagement spelled out beforehand that detail what to do in an encounter based on the facts of the situation.

Deviations from those ROEs would be punishable under the UCMJ, with punishments varying depending on the amount and level of deviation.

Trump pardons war criminals. They can do as they please.

 

[Peter]

Just a question: As far as I know, NG are not trained in law enforcement. They are trained for combat. So, now that NG are patrolling Washington, DC, I wonder how their behavior will be judged.

If they see someone with a gun and they immediately gun them down, (routinely done in combat) which applies, US civilian laws or the UCMJ?

As far as I know the US military like all other decent military forces follow rules of engagement.
They don't just start shooting at the first sign of a gun and sometimes aren't even allowed to return fire if fired upon.

That's why they have training.

 

[Lursa]

Just a question: As far as I know, NG are not trained in law enforcement. They are trained for combat. So, now that NG are patrolling Washington, DC, I wonder how their behavior will be judged.

If they see someone with a gun and they immediately gun them down, (routinely done in combat) which applies, US civilian laws or the UCMJ?

I've been trying to get answers to that and it gets ignored. I've asked several times in this thread: Trump says federal crime crackdown will target Chicago next and even the OP wont touch it.

"Details details!"

 

[Lursa]

As far as I know the US military like all other decent military forces follow rules of engagement.
They don't just start shooting at the first sign of a gun and sometimes aren't even allowed to return fire if fired upon.

That's why they have training.

They're supposed to be supporting the police. "Policing." That's different from military rules of engagement...their environment is going to be 95-99% innocent civilians and bystanders.

So what does that "policing" look like? Then lets see how their training supports those activities.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Just a question: As far as I know, NG are not trained in law enforcement. They are trained for combat. So, now that NG are patrolling Washington, DC, I wonder how their behavior will be judged.

If they see someone with a gun and they immediately gun them down, (routinely done in combat) which applies, US civilian laws or the UCMJ?

Wrong. DC NG has the 372nd Military Police Battalion (Red Hand).

The 372nd Military Police Battalion deals with crimes committed on D.C. National Guard property or any illegal activity involving members of the D.C. National Guard. Trained as Soldiers and police officers, the battalion plays a crucial role in conducting traffic control, corrections, security and mobility support, especially during National Special Security Events, like Presidential Inaugurations and when deployed, such as the 276th Military Police Company’s deployment to Guantanamo Naval Base, Cuba in 2016.

https://dc.ng.mil/Components/Units/District-of-Columbia-Army-National-Guard/74th-Troop-Command/372nd-Military-Police-Battalion-Red-Hand-/

Also, you need to learn about ROE. Rules of Engagement. The military does not “routinely gun down people with a gun”. We didn’t even do that in Iraq.

 

[Tangmo]

National Guard deployed domestically and armed have their Rules on The Use of Force RUOF.

The NG deployed domestically does not apply its Rules of Engagement ROE which are for an organized and disciplined armed enemy force. NG deployed domestically are not in opposition to an "enemy" much less an "armed enemy force." We know NG are deployed domestically in support of civil authority due to a specific event such as a flood, fire, riot and so on.

Each state and the District of Columbia and US Territory NG have their Rules on the Use of Force that are consistent with the UCMJ which itself is consistent with the Constitution of the USA and the constitution of the state/jurisdiction. RUOF may be adjusted to suit the event but the RUOF are controlling, not the ROE.

So in the instance of the District at the present time, the NG troops deployed to DC from several redneck states need to be instructed on the DC NG Rules on the Use of Force. Each NG has a pocket sized card issued to each NG member highlighting the major RUOF for the jurisdiction.

NG deployed domestically does not use its Rules of Engagement ROE. It is disciplined instead by the Rules on the Use of Force of the NG jurisdiction RUOF.

 

[Mycroft]

Just a question: As far as I know, NG are not trained in law enforcement. They are trained for combat. So, now that NG are patrolling Washington, DC, I wonder how their behavior will be judged.

If they see someone with a gun and they immediately gun them down, (routinely done in combat) which applies, US civilian laws or the UCMJ?

Good question.

Normally, the armed forces are bound by "rules of engagement". These vary depending upon the mission, requirements of local authorities, etc.

I asked Copilot about it...

what are the rules of engagement for national guard in washington dc

The current rules of engagement (ROE) for National Guard troops deployed in Washington, D.C. are shaped by their Title 32 status, which allows them to perform law enforcement duties while remaining under state control but federally funded. Here's a breakdown of what that means in practice:

Authority and Legal Framework​

• Title 32 Activation: Troops are under the command of their state governors but operate under federal funding. This status exempts them from the Posse Comitatus Act, which normally bars military from domestic law enforcement2.
• Law Enforcement Role: They are authorized to support law enforcement, including making arrests, detaining suspects, and protecting federal assets3.

Use of Force and Armament​

• Weapons Authorization: As of August 2025, National Guard troops in D.C. are permitted to carry M17 pistols and M4 rifles for personal protection and mission-specific duties3.
• Training Requirement: Troops must receive proper training before being armed. The Pentagon emphasized this decision was made with caution and in coordination with law enforcement partners.

Operational Conduct​

• Mission Scope: Their tasks range from logistics and administrative support to visible deterrence and physical presence at high-profile locations like the National Mall.
• Engagement Protocols: While not actively conducting arrests in most cases, they may interdict or temporarily detain individuals and hand them over to law enforcement.

Oversight and Controversy​

• Command Oversight: The Interim Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard retains authority to adjust force posture in coordination with local and federal agencies.
• Public Reaction: The deployment has sparked debate, with critics warning that soldiers lack community policing training and could escalate tensions.

 

[Tangmo]

Currently issued District of Columbia National Guard Rules on the Use of Force RUOF that also apply to the NG units deployed to DC by the several redneck states.

The NG Rules of Engagement ROE used against armed enemy forces do not apply in domestic deployments of any state/jurisdiction NG.

In a NG domestic deployment among civilians in their community it is the Rules on the Use Of Force RUOF and only that apply.

 

[Tangmo]

Good question.
Normally, the armed forces are bound by "rules of engagement". These vary depending upon the mission, requirements of local authorities, etc.
I asked Copilot about it...

what are the rules of engagement for national guard in washington dc​

The current rules of engagement (ROE) for National Guard troops deployed in Washington, D.C. are shaped by their Title 32 status, which allows them to perform law enforcement duties while remaining under state control but federally funded. Here's a breakdown of what that means in practice:​

​

Authority and Legal Framework​

• Title 32 Activation: Troops are under the command of their state governors but operate under federal funding. This status exempts them from the Posse Comitatus Act, which normally bars military from domestic law enforcement2.
• Law Enforcement Role: They are authorized to support law enforcement, including making arrests, detaining suspects, and protecting federal assets3.

​

Use of Force and Armament​

• Weapons Authorization: As of August 2025, National Guard troops in D.C. are permitted to carry M17 pistols and M4 rifles for personal protection and mission-specific duties3.
• Training Requirement: Troops must receive proper training before being armed. The Pentagon emphasized this decision was made with caution and in coordination with law enforcement partners.

​

Operational Conduct​

• Mission Scope: Their tasks range from logistics and administrative support to visible deterrence and physical presence at high-profile locations like the National Mall.
• Engagement Protocols: While not actively conducting arrests in most cases, they may interdict or temporarily detain individuals and hand them over to law enforcement.

​

Oversight and Controversy​

• Command Oversight: The Interim Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard retains authority to adjust force posture in coordination with local and federal agencies.
• Public Reaction: The deployment has sparked debate, with critics warning that soldiers lack community policing training and could escalate tensions.

Not not and not "Rules of Engagement."

The only applicable Rules are the Rules on the Use of Force RUF.

Your post needs to go hands on rather than push button glib and wrong besides.

 

[Mycroft]

Not not and not "Rules of Engagement."

The only applicable Rules are the Rules on the Use of Force RUF.

Your post needs to go hands on rather than push button glib and wrong besides.

The RUF is a component of the ROE.

 

[Tangmo]

The RUF is a component of the ROE.

I'm not going to go on and on with you or any other MAGA Mycroft.

Rules are Rules, yes of course, different rules for different missions. My god your post is tripe!

Rules of Engagement refer to battle and combat against a foreign, armed, organized and disciplined enemy force that is well led.

Rules on the Use of Force is for domestic deployments by US forces among civilians in their communities, typically under a community's stress and need of a strictly controlled military backup force of support and assistance to those civilians.

This in DC and by the Generalissimo isn't it of course. This does not change the fact the NG domestic deployments are under the discipline of the Rules on the Use of Force RUF. Not the Rules of Engagement ROE.

The RUF that apply to all the NG units present in DC are the RUF of the DCNG. NG from the redneck states need to learn the DCNG RUF and be sworn to them.