Will Justice Be Served In Derek Chauvin's Trial?

[Moderate Right]

We are a system of Democracy and courts. Or are we?

 

[Logician Man]

We are a system of Democracy and courts. Or are we?

Silly question. It depends on any given individual's views/opinions as to what comprises "justice'" in this particular trial. You also need a 5th option in your poll. "Let their be lawful 'protests.' ( not 'illegal' riots)

 

[Mr Person]

We are a system of Democracy and courts. Or are we?

wut?

 

[mike2810]

Unless someone after the verdict can prove their was jury tampering, Yes, no matter the verdict justice is done.
Some will accept the results, some will not.

 

[VySky]

Maxine Waters say's it better be or street justice goes big league

 

[CaughtInThe]

Is the OP asking if our court system is perfect?

 

[Logician Man]

Maxine Waters say's it better be or street justice goes big league

Waters should have known better to say/do that. Nothing good ever comes from that type of irresponsible rhetoric.

 

[Cardinal]

If Chauvin goes free then justice will not have been served. As for the Maxine Waters comment, we all knew there would be rioting if Chauvin goes free long before Waters opened her mouth.

 

[swing_voter]

If he gets one of the lesser murder charges, like man slaughter.

I don't think he intended to kill the man.


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[Cardinal]

Waters should have known better to say/do that. Nothing good ever comes from that type of irresponsible rhetoric.

Repeating my post from another thread. It mentions Trump only because it was relevant to the post I was responding to, but I still think it's important because of the broader historical point it makes:

While Waters absolutely should not have commented on the trial, I would say that she's more of an indicator of what may come than an instigator. If Chauvin goes free and there's rioting, it would have happened regardless of anything Waters would have had to say.

The comparison to Trump is extremely weak. Yes, there's language that is inciteful on the surface, but everything underlying that is completely different. For one, Trump quite literally created out of thin air all of the circumstances leading up to the insurrection, and all of it was based on a lie. Waters, by contrast, did not create the race problem in America, a fantastically complicated and insidious spider web of conditions that ultimately culminated in the murder of Floyd.

Waters didn't create those conditions, and to blame her for any ensuing rioting or mass protests would be tantamount to gas lighting.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Is the OP asking if our court system is perfect?

Somewhat, but the whole thing is child level thinking anyway.

The OP title question has nothing to do with the questions in the first post, and the poll makes matters worse.

 

[Logician Man]

If he gets one of the lesser murder charges, like man slaughter.

I don't think he intended to kill the man.


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I don't think he intended to kill Mr. Floyd, either. I also believe he doesn't care that he killed Mr. Floyd, other than being charged, and tried for killing Mr. Floyd.

 

[Cardinal]

Somewhat, but the whole thing is child level thinking anyway.

The OP title question has nothing to do with the questions in the first post, and the poll makes matters worse.

The poll options ensure that no serious votes are possible. In other words, it's a Moderateright thread.

 

[VySky]

Repeating my post from another thread. It mentions Trump only because it was relevant to the post I was responding to, but I still think it's important because of the broader historical point it makes:

While Waters absolutely should not have commented on the trial, I would say that she's more of an indicator of what may come than an instigator. If Chauvin goes free and there's rioting, it would have happened regardless of anything Waters would have had to say.

The comparison to Trump is extremely weak. Yes, there's language that is inciteful on the surface, but everything underlying that is completely different. For one, Trump quite literally created out of thin air all of the circumstances leading up to the insurrection, and all of it was based on a lie. Waters, by contrast, did not create the race problem in America, a fantastically complicated and insidious spider web of conditions that ultimately culminated in the murder of Floyd.

Waters didn't create those conditions, and to blame her for any ensuing rioting or mass protests would be tantamount to gas lighting.

I argue Waters while not the creator of the race issue, she is certainly front and center in trying with earnest to make everyone think its still 1969 instead of 2021. She's a textbook race baiter. I always thought her and Al Sharpton would make a great couple.

 

[Logician Man]

Repeating my post from another thread. It mentions Trump only because it was relevant to the post I was responding to, but I still think it's important because of the broader historical point it makes:

While Waters absolutely should not have commented on the trial, I would say that she's more of an indicator of what may come than an instigator. If Chauvin goes free and there's rioting, it would have happened regardless of anything Waters would have had to say.

The comparison to Trump is extremely weak. Yes, there's language that is inciteful on the surface, but everything underlying that is completely different. For one, Trump quite literally created out of thin air all of the circumstances leading up to the insurrection, and all of it was based on a lie. Waters, by contrast, did not create the race problem in America, a fantastically complicated and insidious spider web of conditions that ultimately culminated in the murder of Floyd.

Waters didn't create those conditions, and to blame her for any ensuing rioting or mass protests would be tantamount to gas lighting.

agreed. The biggest downside, IMO, to her rhetoric, as the presiding Judge pointed out, is it sets up a scenario for a possible mistrial.

 

[Cardinal]

I don't think he intended to kill Mr. Floyd, either. I also believe he doesn't care that he killed Mr. Floyd, other than being charged, and tried for killing Mr. Floyd.

I think it's a bit worse than whether or not he intended to kill Floyd. Floyd died because, as was entirely evident from the videos, he didn't register as human in Chauvin's mind.

 

[Cardinal]

I argue Waters while not the creator of the race issue, she is certainly front and center in trying with earnest to make everyone think its still 1969 instead of 2021. She's a textbook race baiter. I always thought her and Al Sharpton would make a great couple.

Gas lighting.

 

[Tangmo]

We are a system of Democracy and courts. Or are we?

More like a system of lousy and loaded rightwing poll choices.

 

[Logician Man]

I think it's a bit worse than whether or not he intended to kill Floyd. Floyd died because, as was entirely evident from the videos, he didn't register as human in Chauvin's mind.

I pretty much expressed as such when I stated "he didn't care he killed Mr. Floyd." At least, that was my intent in posting those words.

 

[Rexedgar]

Repeating my post from another thread. It mentions Trump only because it was relevant to the post I was responding to, but I still think it's important because of the broader historical point it makes:

While Waters absolutely should not have commented on the trial, I would say that she's more of an indicator of what may come than an instigator. If Chauvin goes free and there's rioting, it would have happened regardless of anything Waters would have had to say.

The comparison to Trump is extremely weak. Yes, there's language that is inciteful on the surface, but everything underlying that is completely different. For one, Trump quite literally created out of thin air all of the circumstances leading up to the insurrection, and all of it was based on a lie. Waters, by contrast, did not create the race problem in America, a fantastically complicated and insidious spider web of conditions that ultimately culminated in the murder of Floyd.

Waters didn't create those conditions, and to blame her for any ensuing rioting or mass protests would be tantamount to gas lighting.

Maxine‘s constituents are 1500 miles away from Minnesota. She has no business traveling there, much less fanning the flames, imo.

POTUS has chimed in as well. I think it is also inappropriate.

Biden says he's praying Derek Chauvin trial ends with 'right verdict'

Philonise Floyd, the younger brother of George Floyd, said on NBC’s “TODAY” show that the president called his family Monday.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Cardinal]

agreed. The biggest downside, IMO, to her rhetoric, as the presiding Judge pointed out, is it sets up scenario for a possible mistrial.

Agreed. I'm sure, though, that Waters grasps the infuriating nature of the fact that opening her mouth in reaction to years of injustice by the police against the black community could result in yet another injustice. I don't know what the word for that is, but it's got to be infuriating beyond belief.

 

[VySky]

Gas lighting.

lol...

 

[Rexedgar]

I know that I would not want to be on this jury......I’ll wager there is more than a verdict being discussed

 

[Cardinal]

I know that I would not want to be on this jury......I’ll wager there is more than a verdict being discussed

What do you think the odds are that the jury didn't watch any news when the trial was in recess?

 

[Logician Man]

What do you think the odds are that the jury didn't watch any news when the trial was in recess?

0-14. I think there were 2 alternate jurors, IIRC.