The DNC seems to be just as incompetent as the Obama administration.
I hated pep rallies in high school, and I hate them now.
High school prep rallies were to prepare you for being true to your country.
I don't know, ask the right wing. Wasn't what I was referring to anyways.
Why don't you go back and read the threads on some of those. The bill wasn't killed because it was a Jobs bill, it was killed because of all the attachments made to it, including the Senate Dems military spending bill. If you look up the rest, you will probably find so many BS attachements that more than justify the killing/voting against the bills. Want to see how reps and others would really vote for them, then try them without the crap attached. This **** makes good headlines for those to lazy or stupid to dig into the real facts.
I'm not real big on indoctrination.
Well if you're under 50 it's very likely you were indoctrinated by the radical left from K-12.
You know that "I'm masturbating" pantomime, usually paired with an eye roll, that people do when they see or hear something ridiculously lame? I'm doing that now.
Yep, you have been indoctrinated.
Sounds like one more reason to just have UHC and not worry about such complications.
Polls vary, but it appears to a pretty even 50/50 split. While 50.1% is technically a majority, I don't think you meant by such a slim margin, did you?
(CNN) -- Every day, 22 veterans take their own lives. That's a suicide every 65 minutes. As shocking as the number is, it may actually be higher.
The figure, released by the Department of Veterans Affairs in February, is based on the agency's own data and numbers reported by 21 states from 1999 through 2011. Those states represent about 40% of the U.S. population. The other states, including the two largest (California and Texas) and the fifth-largest (Illinois), did not make data available.
Who wasn't counted?
People like Levi Derby, who hanged himself in his grandfather's garage in Illinois on April 5, 2007. He was haunted, says his mother, Judy Caspar, by an Afghan child's death. He had handed the girl a bottle of water, and when she came forward to take it, she stepped on a land mine.
THIS IS FAILURE ON A CATASTROPHIC LEVEL, but something the hawks care to ignore.
Why suicide rate among veterans may be more than 22 a day - CNN.com
Ah, no. While agreeably liberals are a sizeable minority, conservatives have a significantly larger margin than 0.1%.
Veteran suicide rates alone do not necessarily tell us that VA care has failed. Maybe other details (such as observing that there are veterans seeking help and not getting it) demonstrate a failure, but we can't just notice a high suicide rate and then go on auto-blame mode against someone for not somehow preventing those suicides.
I think there is a mix of both here, i.e. some instances of VA care being deficient and people committing suicide while on long wait lists for help, but also I think that even with the most utopian scenario of a comprehensive array of instantaneously available world-class mental health care... we'd still see high suicide rates among veterans.
So my opinion is that yes we should be alert for possible shortcomings of VA care and think critically about how to beef it up if needed, as well as to be more vocal (both liberals and conservatives) about non-defensive military interventions in oil-rich nations.
But I also think we should be cautious not to be idiots about tossing around blame for people killing themselves.
1. he was responding to those who argued that it was in fact "the hawks" who could be blamed.
2. Both of his claims, however you want to adjust for his intent, are nonetheless accurate. For those whose suicide is driven by combat, the distinction between what we teach them to expect and what they then have to go through is a contributing factor. Agreeably it's nowhere as bad as it was for Vietnam, especially with the "return" factor, where there is at least public support until they find out the specifics, as opposed to public abuse.
3. Military suicide rates are, in fact, an overblown "crises". Our suicide rate is lower than the civilian rates among the same population. While taking care of our people and saving them when necessary remains critical, this issue is the result of a zero-defect mindset, not an actual "epidemic".
Before anyone loses their mind over that, my first team leader in the Marine Corps killed himself, as did a former platoon sergeant from my company and a Marine who had been under me. I've dealt with the issue. But we're not f****** victims.
50.1 was not an actual proportion. The actual numbers vary, and show either side having a majority. And sometimes (often, actually) neither side. The only consistent trends are that officers are more conservative than enlisted, and veterans are more liberal than current military members.
You are right on veterans over current military members - which only demonstrates that, like most Americans, military members become more conservative as they age and grow wiser.
How exactly did you get that fresh soldiers are more right wing, and then when they're finished with the military, they're more left wing, into "older means more conservative"? When they sign up, they believe the right wing slogans. When the live it, they learn reality.
And how does that square with retired seniors being more liberal?
Frankly, it just seems like Baby Boomers are conservative, while everybody else is pretty liberal. The same people who went bananas for Reaganomics and screwed everything up are the same ones who went bananas for Bush's wars and tax cuts and screwed everything up even more.
I know you want vindication really badly, but you won't find it here.
Try reading all the posts in the thread.Then why not be specific instead of resorting to vagaries? If you think there's some element contributing to these suicides, let's examine it. Otherwise, you're just making an empty and exceedingly partisan accusation.
As opposed to the bills put forth by Republicans without these attachments? Or the staunch stance by Republicans not to add attachments in the first place? Oh wait, none of those happened. Every bill has absurd riders on them. That's how it works. It sucks, but that's how it works. The fact is, bills were offered, Republicans shot them down, no Republican bills came up to replace them and address the problems. One side is trying, one side is not. That's all there is to it.
That's sheer nonsense. Those veterans committed suicide because of what, gays in the military? The "left" treats veterans far better than the "right" does these days.
This literally makes me want to cry, anybody who says the VA hasn't failed these men & woman is completely delusional. The government can't manage this, how can then be expected manage the entirety of the American people........
We do not wage pointless wars. Only the govt. does.
The government represents the people
, if the people don't like it, the people can stop it.
The govt. does not represent the people. PROOF: the majority disagree with most of what the govt. does.
They can't, not without $ or the means to extort pols. If they could, they would've certainly done so by now.
This literally makes me want to cry, anybody who says the VA hasn't failed these men & woman is completely delusional. The government can't manage this, how can then be expected manage the entirety of the American people........
VA needs to do more. A LOT MORE. Example: I have a friend who did a tour in Iraq and two in Afghanistan. He rotated back here two years ago. He had his entire clavicle blown away by a muslim sniper. He came home with a purple heart, bronze medal, and some other commendations for his heroism. Now he can't find a job, has nowhere to live, and is living in a day-by-day motel or on the street every night. When he had a car, he lived in it; but the car was repo'ed. VA and Uncle Sam should give this guy a house or apartment and enough money to live. If he was black I am sure he would be eligible for section-8 and welfare. But since he was "merely" a White hero protecting our way of life; he gets jack sh*t.
This literally makes me want to cry, anybody who says the VA hasn't failed these men & woman is completely delusional. The government can't manage this, how can then be expected manage the entirety of the American people........
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