Oh, shut up. Once again, APACHE has to find some way to blame "the left," and he's using the bodies of dead veterans to do it. Disgusting.
Veteran suicide rates alone do not necessarily tell us that VA care has failed. Maybe other details (such as observing that there are veterans seeking help and not getting it) demonstrate a failure, but we can't just notice a high suicide rate and then go on auto-blame mode against someone for not somehow preventing those suicides.
I think there is a mix of both here, i.e. some instances of VA care being deficient and people committing suicide while on long wait lists for help, but also I think that even with the most utopian scenario of a comprehensive array of instantaneously available world-class mental health care... we'd still see high suicide rates among veterans.
So my opinion is that yes we should be alert for possible shortcomings of VA care and think critically about how to beef it up if needed, as well as to be more vocal (both liberals and conservatives) about non-defensive military interventions in oil-rich nations.
But I also think we should be cautious not to be idiots about tossing around blame for people killing themselves.
Oh, shut up. Once again, APACHE has to find some way to blame "the left," and he's using the bodies of dead veterans to do it. Disgusting.
I didn't bring politics into the discussion.
Veteran suicide rates alone do not necessarily tell us that VA care has failed. Maybe other details (such as observing that there are veterans seeking help and not getting it) demonstrate a failure, but we can't just notice a high suicide rate and then go on auto-blame mode against someone for not somehow preventing those suicides.
I think there is a mix of both here, i.e. some instances of VA care being deficient and people committing suicide while on long wait lists for help, but also I think that even with the most utopian scenario of a comprehensive array of instantaneously available world-class mental health care... we'd still see high suicide rates among veterans.
So my opinion is that yes we should be alert for possible shortcomings of VA care and think critically about how to beef it up if needed, as well as to be more vocal (both liberals and conservatives) about non-defensive military interventions in oil-rich nations.
But I also think we should be cautious not to be idiots about tossing around blame for people killing themselves.
I didn't bring politics into the discussion.
BTW: Why are libs always so concerned with vets but very few have ever served ?
Why don't libs support those while they are serving in uniform instead of proclaiming they support them after they stopped wearing the uniform ?
Which brings into play that while serving in the military there was little day to day contact with libs but after their tour of duty the day to day contact with libs in the civilian world is enough to drive someone to substance abuse, chronic unemployment, homelessness and eventually suicide.
I was lucky compared to most, I was able to escape Los Angeles and fled to behind the Orange Curtain.
You most certainly did.
You leave me no choice but to bust your little bubble. Go to post #1. The OP brought politics into this topic with his asinine comment >"THIS IS FAILURE ON A CATASTROPHIC LEVEL, but something the hawks care to ignore."<
Only right wingers serve in the military.
Only right wingers serve in the military.
Yeah, it's Democrats who try to cut funding for veterans.
GOP Congressman Calls for Massive Cuts in Veterans Funding | Veterans Today
Not true.
"Hawks" is not a political ideology.
No dude, I know its not true, sorry to have forgotten the ?
Apache made the comment, I was seeking clarification.
(CNN) -- Every day, 22 veterans take their own lives. That's a suicide every 65 minutes. As shocking as the number is, it may actually be higher.
The figure, released by the Department of Veterans Affairs in February, is based on the agency's own data and numbers reported by 21 states from 1999 through 2011. Those states represent about 40% of the U.S. population. The other states, including the two largest (California and Texas) and the fifth-largest (Illinois), did not make data available.
Who wasn't counted?
People like Levi Derby, who hanged himself in his grandfather's garage in Illinois on April 5, 2007. He was haunted, says his mother, Judy Caspar, by an Afghan child's death. He had handed the girl a bottle of water, and when she came forward to take it, she stepped on a land mine.
THIS IS FAILURE ON A CATASTROPHIC LEVEL, but something the hawks care to ignore.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/21/us/22-veteran-suicides-a-day/index.html
They/we are probably staying away because other than the opening post there hasn't been enough intelligence demonstrated here for us to feed upon.
Veteran healthcare, or rather the failure of it, has been covered before. No need to keep bitching about it when Obama is in office and the Dems have the Senate. Thankfully, the GOP at least has the house, so we haven't totally defunded veteran care to pay for welfare and medicaid yet.
Yeah, it's Democrats who try to cut funding for veterans.
GOP Congressman Calls for Massive Cuts in Veterans Funding | Veterans Today
It would be disgusting except that the left, in the form of Obama and Dems, have a lot to do with why those veterans are now bodies instead of living people. The way the left treats the military as a lab for social experiments and the way they threat veterans truly is disgusting.
True story. Everyone also beats up on the VA for having such a backlog (and it does suck). No one wants to talk about the dirty little original source of that backlog, which is the prevalence of people who get out and try to put in a claim for virtually every major joint, organ, you name it, planning to get free medical care and a monthly check for life.
BTW: Why are libs always so concerned with vets but very few have ever served ?
Why don't libs support those while they are serving in uniform instead of proclaiming they support them after they stopped wearing the uniform ?
But the majority serving in the military since the end of the draft do identify themselves as being conservative.
That's sheer nonsense. Those veterans committed suicide because of what, gays in the military? The "left" treats veterans far better than the "right" does these days.
Then maybe we shouldn't have so many pointless wars where we need to put these people into harm's way?
Democrat Party
Polls vary, but it appears to a pretty even 50/50 split. While 50.1% is technically a majority, I don't think you meant by such a slim margin, did you?
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"Social experiments"? Isn't that the right wing buzzword for not kicking out gays anymore? Yes, clearly lots of soldiers are dying because the gay soldiers don't have to lie about being gay anymore.
There's no such thing as the "Democrat Party."
That's certainly a pretty stupid gaffe; however, it's hard to claim that was anything other than an oversight by someone involved in the production.
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