Why not adoption/foster care?

[Ben_Casey]

When I talk to pro-choice people it seems that a big reason abortions exist is so the baby does not get born into a financially unstable family or an abusive one. However, I think that abortion is not the solution. If a woman is not financially stable she should not be having unprotected sex and should understand the consequences of her actions, in my opinion. This brings me to my main question...(drum roll please..) Why pick abortion over things like adoption or foster care? There are thousands of couples/families that are infertile and cannot get pregnant on their own. I myself have two adopted siblings who now have a better life and a future. Any thoughts and opinions would be great, Thanks!

 

[OrphanSlug]

No one has ever thought of this before... :2bump:

 

[captaintrips]

When I talk to pro-choice people it seems that a big reason abortions exist is so the baby does not get born into a financially unstable family or an abusive one. However, I think that abortion is not the solution. If a woman is not financially stable she should not be having unprotected sex and should understand the consequences of her actions, in my opinion. This brings me to my main question...(drum roll please..) Why pick abortion over things like adoption or foster care? There are thousands of couples/families that are infertile and cannot get pregnant on their own. I myself have two adopted siblings who now have a better life and a future. Any thoughts and opinions would be great, Thanks!

Seems like a better option to a LOT of people.

BUT the pregnant woman DOES have to carry it to term, THAT I think is the big problem for a lot of them.

While I agree with;

"If a woman is not financially stable she should not be having unprotected sex and should understand the consequences of her actions, in my opinion."

People are gonna diddle around and stuff "happens."

It's not a prefect world, it's unfortunate that innocent babies have to pay the price though.

 

[Bodi]

When I talk to pro-choice people it seems that a big reason abortions exist is so the baby does not get born into a financially unstable family or an abusive one. However, I think that abortion is not the solution. If a woman is not financially stable she should not be having unprotected sex and should understand the consequences of her actions, in my opinion. This brings me to my main question...(drum roll please..) Why pick abortion over things like adoption or foster care? There are thousands of couples/families that are infertile and cannot get pregnant on their own. I myself have two adopted siblings who now have a better life and a future. Any thoughts and opinions would be great, Thanks!

Women have a deserve the right to make medical decisions about their own bodies... end of story.

What they do or don't do is up to them and your thoughts and my thoughts are IRRELEVANT.

 

[Bodi]

Seems like a better option to a LOT of people.

BUT the pregnant woman DOES have to carry it to term, THAT I think is the big problem for a lot of them.

While I agree with;

"If a woman is not financially stable she should not be having unprotected sex and should understand the consequences of her actions, in my opinion."

People are gonna diddle around and stuff "happens."

It's not a prefect world, it's unfortunate that innocent babies have to pay the price though.

No innocent babies are paying any price. When you need to load in an emotional plea you have already lost the argument.

 

[Lursa]

When I talk to pro-choice people it seems that a big reason abortions exist is so the baby does not get born into a financially unstable family or an abusive one. However, I think that abortion is not the solution. If a woman is not financially stable she should not be having unprotected sex and should understand the consequences of her actions, in my opinion. This brings me to my main question...(drum roll please..) Why pick abortion over things like adoption or foster care? There are thousands of couples/families that are infertile and cannot get pregnant on their own. I myself have two adopted siblings who now have a better life and a future. Any thoughts and opinions would be great, Thanks!

I also have twin adopted sisters, they were special needs infants.

However, it is not a solution for most women or for the 100,000 kids already waiting for homes.(There are over 400,000 in foster care)

Previously posted:

There are already over 100,000 children waiting to be adopted in the US right now.

It's not a solution at all. It's not a solution for a woman that cannot make the health or obligation or commitment sacrifices that pregnancy requires. It doesnt protect a woman's health or life.

It's also directly harmful to those children waiting and hoping for an adoptive home. They are actively harmed...they are aware, knowing, even suffering...by having fewer chances at a home.

These are the reasons it's completely unethical IMO to encourage women who dont want a child to maintain a pregnancy just to give it up for adoption. More kids added unnecessarily to that adoption pool means that one of those kids waiting and hoping wont get a family.


Sources:

"Waiting for a family is the longest wait of all."

Adopt America Network | Children for Adoption

Adoption Statistics | Adoption Network

Waiting Children | Kids Available for Adoption | The Adoption Exchange | The Adoption Exchange​

 

[Wayne Jr]

When I talk to pro-choice people it seems that a big reason abortions exist is so the baby does not get born into a financially unstable family or an abusive one. However, I think that abortion is not the solution. If a woman is not financially stable she should not be having unprotected sex and should understand the consequences of her actions, in my opinion. This brings me to my main question...(drum roll please..) Why pick abortion over things like adoption or foster care? There are thousands of couples/families that are infertile and cannot get pregnant on their own. I myself have two adopted siblings who now have a better life and a future. Any thoughts and opinions would be great, Thanks!

Because relinquishing a child for adoption has the same impact on the parent as if the child died. Abortion does not have that impact.

 

[Drawdown]

When I talk to pro-choice people it seems that a big reason abortions exist is so the baby does not get born into a financially unstable family or an abusive one. However, I think that abortion is not the solution. If a woman is not financially stable she should not be having unprotected sex and should understand the consequences of her actions, in my opinion. This brings me to my main question...(drum roll please..) Why pick abortion over things like adoption or foster care? There are thousands of couples/families that are infertile and cannot get pregnant on their own. I myself have two adopted siblings who now have a better life and a future. Any thoughts and opinions would be great, Thanks!

Ok but a relative of mine just dropped over $50K for their adoption so I am not sure it is as viable an option to make a dent in abortion rates

 

[Lursa]

Seems like a better option to a LOT of people.

BUT the pregnant woman DOES have to carry it to term, THAT I think is the big problem for a lot of them.

While I agree with;

"If a woman is not financially stable she should not be having unprotected sex and should understand the consequences of her actions, in my opinion."

People are gonna diddle around and stuff "happens."

It's not a prefect world, it's unfortunate that innocent babies have to pay the price though.

No babies are aborted. That's just stupid. It's illegal to kill babies.

And you've never explained why you value the "innocence" of the unborn? The unborn are unable to act or even form intent...they cant "be" anything, it's an "innocence" of emptiness, a vacuum. It's the same "innocence" as a flower or a couch if you are going to misuse it like that.

Why do you value the "innocence" of nothingness, a vacuum? And why do you value that "innocence" more than the life and future of a woman?

 

[Lursa]

No innocent babies are paying any price. When you need to load in an emotional plea you have already lost the argument.

Exactly

 

[Patriotic Voter]

When I talk to pro-choice people it seems that a big reason abortions exist is so the baby does not get born into a financially unstable family or an abusive one. However, I think that abortion is not the solution. If a woman is not financially stable she should not be having unprotected sex and should understand the consequences of her actions, in my opinion. This brings me to my main question...(drum roll please..) Why pick abortion over things like adoption or foster care? There are thousands of couples/families that are infertile and cannot get pregnant on their own. I myself have two adopted siblings who now have a better life and a future. Any thoughts and opinions would be great, Thanks!

Welcome to the forum. Thank you for asking the question in a respectful manner. I will not assume I know everytning, but can explain the logic behind it. Please take your time thinking about the facts that are posted to better understand the issues.

First of all, girls can get pregnant before they sex education begins at schools. It happens to fifth graders. They don't even know their own reproductive systems yet. Even in middle school, kids don't know anything about contraception. Yet they can stillt be raped at those young ages. For some weird reason, pro-lifers are the same people who strongly oppose starting sex education before high school - years after many girls start having periods, but years before they can do anything else. See the problem there?

Second, not all states require sex education at every elementary, middle, and high school anyway. Without a federal mandate, there is no way every child is going to learn about contraception and abstience. That is just a cold hard fact. Telling people they can simply use contraception or refrain from having sex is totally meaningless until a federal law passes to make sex education mandatory at all three levels except for religious schools, which are usually Catholic.

Third, even women who do know about contraception and abstinence can't avoid getting raped. Obviously there is no way any girl or woman can know when she could meet a rapist. Unless she is married, her knowledge about contraception and abstinence is useless int hat situation. So it is always immoral to force anyone who was impregnanted by rape to carry her unwanted embryo/fetus to term.

And don't get me started on the idea that they are all wanted just because there is a list of couples who want to adopt newborns. The reason there are so many kids in foster homes is there are more kids than homes to put them in.

 

[captaintrips]

No innocent babies are paying any price. When you need to load in an emotional plea you have already lost the argument.

No "emotional plea" there sorry, just facts.

The facts bug some of us I know.

 

[distraff]

When I talk to pro-choice people it seems that a big reason abortions exist is so the baby does not get born into a financially unstable family or an abusive one. However, I think that abortion is not the solution. If a woman is not financially stable she should not be having unprotected sex and should understand the consequences of her actions, in my opinion. This brings me to my main question...(drum roll please..) Why pick abortion over things like adoption or foster care? There are thousands of couples/families that are infertile and cannot get pregnant on their own. I myself have two adopted siblings who now have a better life and a future. Any thoughts and opinions would be great, Thanks!

Thats kind of like saying we should force people to donate their kidneys to those who are dying because you only need one. You have a right to your body, and you are still allowed to refuse to support someone's life with your body, even if it doesn't hurt you that much.

 

[Bodi]

No "emotional plea" there sorry, just facts.

The facts bug some of us I know.

A fetus is not a baby and an unborn human is not a person. ... those are the facts.

 

[weaver2]

When I talk to pro-choice people it seems that a big reason abortions exist is so the baby does not get born into a financially unstable family or an abusive one. However, I think that abortion is not the solution. If a woman is not financially stable she should not be having unprotected sex and should understand the consequences of her actions, in my opinion. This brings me to my main question...(drum roll please..) Why pick abortion over things like adoption or foster care? There are thousands of couples/families that are infertile and cannot get pregnant on their own. I myself have two adopted siblings who now have a better life and a future. Any thoughts and opinions would be great, Thanks!

This idea comes up in every abortion thread. The person that proposes it is always a man and always seems dewy-eyed with excitement to have single-handedly solved the abortion problem.Before someone lists the reasons for you, why this is neither an original nor an intelligent idea let me ask you this: Have you ever thought of this solution from the point of view of the woman?

 

[captaintrips]

A fetus is not a baby and an unborn human is not a person.

Word games. A baby human doesn't magically transform to a baby human upon passing the lips of a womans vagina. A fantasy of morons.

An unborn human is not a hamster, a coelenterate or a plant, it is a baby human, a person.

Word games played by fools to make killing infants seem A-Ok.

... those are the facts.

Facts clearly escape you ; )

 

[Patriotic Voter]

A fetus is not a baby and an unborn human is not a person. ... those are the facts.

Here are more facts:

1. The mom suffers when she is pregnant.
2. The embryo cannot suffer when it dies.
3. Elective fetus abortions do not happen.

 

[Lursa]

Word games. A baby human doesn't magically transform to a baby human upon passing the lips of a womans vagina. A fantasy of morons.

An unborn human is not a hamster, a coelenterate or a plant, it is a baby human, a person.

Word games played by fools to make killing infants seem A-Ok.



Facts clearly escape you ; )

LOL all your 'facts' are nothing more than emotional projection. Factually, the unborn is only an 'unborn baby,' not yet a baby. People may call it a baby for emotional reasons, just like they call their car or dog their 'babies.' But if you want to have an actual debate, you use the proper terms. Because you should have an argument that you can make that doesnt depend on your feelings :roll:

The unborn is also factually not a person and you've been provided the link to that law as well. So what's your deal? Delusion or dishonesty? Or just overwhelmed by your feelings?

 

[Scrabaholic]

When I talk to pro-choice people it seems that a big reason abortions exist is so the baby does not get born into a financially unstable family or an abusive one. However, I think that abortion is not the solution. If a woman is not financially stable she should not be having unprotected sex and should understand the consequences of her actions, in my opinion. This brings me to my main question...(drum roll please..) Why pick abortion over things like adoption or foster care? There are thousands of couples/families that are infertile and cannot get pregnant on their own. I myself have two adopted siblings who now have a better life and a future. Any thoughts and opinions would be great, Thanks!

Nobody is entitled to the progeny of another. Women do not owe anyone a child.

I am adopted. I'd never inflict that on a child. Even IF I could safely gestate a pregnancy. Which I cannot. And no, I'm not going to abstain just because YOU have a problem w/ abortion.

 

[Bodi]

Word games. A baby human doesn't magically transform to a baby human upon passing the lips of a womans vagina. A fantasy of morons.

I just called it an unborn human... how is that a fantasy, when you also call it a human?

You might want to refrain from tossing around insults when you are this confused. :lol:

An unborn human is not a hamster, a coelenterate or a plant, it is a baby human, a person.

Word games played by fools to make killing infants seem A-Ok.

A person is a born human. "Person" is a legal designation, not a biological one.

This debate seems to be far over your head... just sayin'.

Facts clearly escape you ; )

:lol: uh-huh.

 

[Bodi]

Here are more facts:

1. The mom suffers when she is pregnant.
2. The embryo cannot suffer when it dies.
3. Elective fetus abortions do not happen.

Thank you for adding facts...

 

[weaver2]

Word games. A baby human doesn't magically transform to a baby human upon passing the lips of a womans vagina. A fantasy of morons.
An unborn human is not a hamster, a coelenterate or a plant, it is a baby human, a person.
Word games played by fools to make killing infants seem A-Ok. Facts clearly escape you ; )

Pro-Choice advocates don't play word games. There is a single name for each stage of development in a pregnancy and that's what for-choice people use: zygote, embryo , fetus.

Anti-abortion advocates have names for those scientific names: baby, child, human being, person, innocent little baby, unborn child. None accurate, all used to stir up antagonism toward women who support legal abortion.

There is a legal, medical term for ending a pregnancy: abortion. Pro-choice people use that word, abortion
What do anti-abortion advocates call ending a pregnancy: murdering, killing, ripping a child from the womb a fantasy of morons and other lurid descriptions. None accurate, all used to stir up antagonism against women

There is a legal, medical, biblical term for people who end their pregnancy the word is women.
Anti-abortion seldom say woman. They call her a murderer, a killer, a slut, a monster, a selfish slut killing it's baby so it can go out and party again. There are many, many more hateful words for women that the anti-abortion people have thought up.

Don't even try to pretend that that the anti-abortion movement isn't playing word games.

 

[maquiscat]

When I talk to pro-choice people it seems that a big reason abortions exist is so the baby does not get born into a financially unstable family or an abusive one.

While that may seem a big reason to you, it is only one of many possible reasons. Health of the baby and/or that of the mother, not wanting to risk the child growing up lost in the foster system, with no stability, fear of what the father will.do of he finds out (it's not unheard of for a bio father to reclaim a child he was not initially told of, or a mother to get back her bio child).

If a woman is not financially stable she should not be having unprotected sex and should understand the consequences of her actions, in my opinion.

Premise failure. There are only three methods that are 100% guaranteed not to ensure no pregnancy; abstention, removal of the testicles from the male, and removal of the overies from the female. Even vasectomy and tubal ligation are a chance of failure. Any sex without those three conditions risks pregnancy, even if the risk fall to less than 1%. Unless you have data to show that most abortions are for pregnancies resulting from unprotected sex, you are stereotyping.

This brings me to my main question...(drum roll please..) Why pick abortion over things like adoption or foster care? There are thousands of couples/families that are infertile and cannot get pregnant on their own. I myself have two adopted siblings who now have a better life and a future. Any thoughts and opinions would be great, Thanks!

And among them many are rejected. My wife at one time tried to adopt and was rejected for being diabetic. Not to mention the number of same sex couples who would love to adopt and have been rejected. Couple's not getting a child to adopt isn't due to a shortage of children available. A significant number of such children in the system never get a foster parent, if not ever, then not for long. There are people on both sides of the adoption equation who go wanting.

So my question to you. Why would you want to put even more children into a system that can't even place what they currently have? Why would you want to make more competition for parents among the children?

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[maquiscat]

Because relinquishing a child for adoption has the same impact on the parent as if the child died. Abortion does not have that impact.

Not necessarily true. Even women who get abortions out of medical necessity or even financial necessity mourn their lost as much as of the child died after birth. And there are woman who have given up children for adoption without a second thought.

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[maquiscat]

The reason there are so many kids in foster homes is there are more kids than homes to put them in.

Given all the potential parents that can't get qualified to adopt, and the cost of the process itself, I'm doubting this claim.

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