The_Patriot
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1. Music that inspires an emotional reaction, check
2. No citation to back up claims, check
3. Poor comparisons between two systems, check
4. Emotional imagery, check
I saw nothing of use in this video.
What would be nice is some data that proves your thesis, not just people's opinions and very loose comparisons between the systems of two countries.
Try reading a book then. Here's The Underground History of American Schools. It backs up the video.
Try reading a book then. Here's The Underground History of American Schools. It backs up the video.
Try reading a book then. Here's The Underground History of American Schools. It backs up the video.
Maybe the problem is that you are using only one book, instead of the dozens it takes to come close to getting a broad view of the subject...
I have read it. But again, we need proof.
That is proof.
Where is your proof that the Prussian education system isn't in the US?
Where is your proof that disputes what I've brought forth?
In the book, the guy basically lists his gripes with the public school system and his efforts to reform it, but he does not give much in the way of evidence about the nefarious design of the system, except some stories about farmers adapting to a more structured work environment and such as that (which are just stories, I do not recall him documenting any of his claims). Substituting loose allegory for proof is Glenn Beck type thinking. I am not saying the education system is perfect (because it sure is not), so far your claim lacks evidence.
The way this works is that you have to prove your case before you expect others to counter it. Right now I am waiting for that.
That is not a complete sentence. It is missing a verb and object. My guess is that you are asking me to prove my case. Well so far my case is that your video is a load of crap and I have already stated my reasons why.
Why only the public school system? Most private schools aren't that much different in their approach.
The fact is, you have to have an orderly class if you ever hope to actually get some time to teach children the ABCs... This means they need to learn things like responding to bells and bathroom time. I don't know why this is a form of indoctrination (especially considering the fact that as the grade gets higher, those things are lessened to the point where nobody cares what you do in college).
If the OP is saying that part of schooling's job is to teach children about rules, civil interaction and social skills, then I would agree with him. That is part of what schooling does for children.
If the OP is saying that children are being brainwashed by the state to believe false doctrine, it should be fairly easy to post examples. Yes?
If he is referring to the book by Gatto, most of the complaint is about teaching children to have a discipline about things such as time management and other things necessary for an industrial environment. The fact is that those same skills are also useful for classroom management.
Well, if that's his complaint, then what's the alternative? Because, frankly, most parents I know who homeschool have an even stricter discipline than any classroom I've ever been in, and I've been to both public and private schools.
That is proof. Where is your proof that the Prussian education system isn't in the US? Where is your proof that disputes what I've brought forth?
Exactly, people borrow opinions without having the first clue of the knowledge required for an opinion to be close to valid.Of course the public education system is about indoctrination. So is the private education system and home-schooling. People are pelted with so much propaganda and indoctrination that most don't even realize how few of their opinions are their own. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
Of course the public education system is about indoctrination. So is the private education system and home-schooling. People are pelted with so much propaganda and indoctrination that most don't even realize how few of their opinions are their own. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
My problems with public education.
You can take me to task over any specific issue that you like.
Nationalist propaganda- I don't think kids should be saluting a flag everyday, until they come to their own conclusions as adults.
Historical revisionism- some things taught as history aren't the complete story and only further, what seems to me, an agenda of state worship.
Grade advancement- I prefer the advancement by subject level, makes more sense as it is adjustable to the student.
Funding- my gosh do we spend to much on schools, it's insane.
Student warehousing- shoving all students, regardless of ability, into the same classroom is counter productive.
The excuse that they help the slower students is insufficient, isn't that what teachers are paid to do?
Sports programs- this is school, not a junior recreation league.
Kids can do that stuff, out of school, with their parents money.
Parenting- it is an inherent block to parent involvement.
The school acts as a parent for a large part of the child's life.
You mean each level in each subject should be considered individually instead of as an aggregate known as grade level? I hadn't thought about that one.
I think our funds are misdirected. I don't know what the overall right level is. I think part of the problem is that some children simply are going to have to be left behind. Such as those who have an IQ below 80. There's not much we can do for them. I wonder if there is a study done to show how much it costs to education students based on their intelligence levels.
I definitely think we need to bring back tracking.
I think we need to do away with all sports programs that do not turn a profit.
In a world where both parents work, I don't see any way to get around that.
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