Why F-35 Fighter Jets Are "Obsolete", According to Elon Musk (1 Viewer)

[Luce]

MSN

As Elon Musk takes charge of the newly formed Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), created to advise the White House on optimizing federal spending, the F-35 stealth jet program has become a key target of his criticism.
Over the weekend, the Tesla CEO and a surrogate for Donald Trump criticized the fighter jet program on his social media platform, X, calling it outdated and inefficient compared to unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).
"Meanwhile, some idiots are still building manned fighter jets like the F-35," Musk posted, alongside a video showcasing synchronized Chinese drones in action.

Over the weekend, the Tesla CEO and a surrogate for Donald Trump criticized the fighter jet program on his social media platform, X, calling it outdated and inefficient compared to unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).
"Meanwhile, some idiots are still building manned fighter jets like the F-35," Musk posted, alongside a video showcasing synchronized Chinese drones in action.

This reminds me of when the DoD considered hamstringing the Navy back in the early 1950s because all that mattered was nukes.

Elon Musk, as always, is assuming competence where he has none. Yes, drones are the future of warfare, but to say that multirole aircraft are useless is just as dumb as those people in the DoD back in the day. Watching the current war in Ukraine, the most effective Russian tool is glide bombing, which is conducted by old fashioned manned aircraft. The Ukrainians rely on drones, mostly because they don't have enough aircraft.

And this useless flabby object is being put in charge of efficiency.

 

[ElChupacabra]

MSN

This reminds me of when the DoD considered hamstringing the Navy back in the early 1950s because all that mattered was nukes.

Elon Musk, as always, is assuming competence where he has none. Yes, drones are the future of warfare, but to say that multirole aircraft are useless is just as dumb as those people in the DoD back in the day. Watching the current war in Ukraine, the most effective Russian tool is glide bombing, which is conducted by old fashioned manned aircraft. The Ukrainians rely on drones, mostly because they don't have enough aircraft.

And this useless flabby object is being put in charge of efficiency.

This is going to be great! Musk hasn't delivered fully autonomous vehicles yet, but manned aircraft are obsolete.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Elmo doesn’t know within 40 miles where he shit last.

His imposter syndrome is ****ing us all

 

[Luce]

This is going to be great! Musk hasn't delivered fully autonomous vehicles yet, but manned aircraft are obsolete.

Remember back in the 90s/00s when CEOs were sending every job they could offshore and the right wingers said that "innovation" would replace those jobs?

Do the damage first, solution later. "In two weeks."

 

[Phys251]

MSN

This reminds me of when the DoD considered hamstringing the Navy back in the early 1950s because all that mattered was nukes.

Elon Musk, as always, is assuming competence where he has none. Yes, drones are the future of warfare, but to say that multirole aircraft are useless is just as dumb as those people in the DoD back in the day. Watching the current war in Ukraine, the most effective Russian tool is glide bombing, which is conducted by old fashioned manned aircraft. The Ukrainians rely on drones, mostly because they don't have enough aircraft.

And this useless flabby object is being put in charge of efficiency.

Musk said it, it must be true.

Oh wait, this is going to be one of the guys in charge of cutting government functions.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Remember back in the 90s/00s when CEOs were sending every job they could offshore and the right wingers said that "innovation" would replace those jobs?

Do the damage first, solution later. "In two weeks."

Oh I remember that well. At the company I worked at they laid off all internal help desk techs and outsourced everything to IBM, which had a call center in Fishkill, NY. The proposed "efficiency" outside of the short term financial one, was that one would report an incident with the call center (out in India) who would try to resolve your technical issue. This is great if the problem you had was a generic problem with your Microsoft app or a minor hardware issue. For the rest of us who were using proprietary applications, this was anything but efficient.

So if I had an issue with a proprietary application, I'd call the India help desk who had no script to help me, so they'd punt it to the Fishkill, NY center. I'd then have to wait for a call, and once that happened I had to once again repeat the issue I was experiencing to a person who did not understand the basics of our proprietary applications. That tech would schedule to come to my office and basically try things I had already tried. After a few minutes of failed attempts, he would punt my ticket to whoever was left in the software development team filling in on proprietary application support. My issue would be resolved in about 2 days.

Want to know what the process was before with in-house help desk? I'd call the help desk, let them know with which application I was having an issue. Since many of them worked on proprietary apps, they almost always able to resolve the issue in 15-30 minutes and it was one phone call. If it had to get escalated to the devs, then maybe a few hours. Efficiency, yeah right.

 

[KingLeo]

Interesting that maybe, just maybe, the new company Musk created, United State of America, Inc., wants a government contract in developing a new drone program for the military.
These grifters have no shame at all.

 

[eohrnberger]

MSN

This reminds me of when the DoD considered hamstringing the Navy back in the early 1950s because all that mattered was nukes.

Elon Musk, as always, is assuming competence where he has none. Yes, drones are the future of warfare, but to say that multirole aircraft are useless is just as dumb as those people in the DoD back in the day. Watching the current war in Ukraine, the most effective Russian tool is glide bombing, which is conducted by old fashioned manned aircraft. The Ukrainians rely on drones, mostly because they don't have enough aircraft.

And this useless flabby object is being put in charge of efficiency.

Meh. There is still value in a piloted air supremacy fighter in my view.

 

[ASHES]

I still don't believe anything Musk thinks is Breaking News.

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

MSN

This reminds me of when the DoD considered hamstringing the Navy back in the early 1950s because all that mattered was nukes.

Elon Musk, as always, is assuming competence where he has none. Yes, drones are the future of warfare, but to say that multirole aircraft are useless is just as dumb as those people in the DoD back in the day. Watching the current war in Ukraine, the most effective Russian tool is glide bombing, which is conducted by old fashioned manned aircraft. The Ukrainians rely on drones, mostly because they don't have enough aircraft.

And this useless flabby object is being put in charge of efficiency.

I think you are the one without competence here.
Drones cost about the same and Manned Fighters! But a Drone can do MAX G maneuvers all day long, don't need sleep, but manned Fighters need a person in the cockpit! So going to unmanned should be achieved ASAP.

 

[Roadvirus]

MSN

This reminds me of when the DoD considered hamstringing the Navy back in the early 1950s because all that mattered was nukes.

Elon Musk, as always, is assuming competence where he has none. Yes, drones are the future of warfare, but to say that multirole aircraft are useless is just as dumb as those people in the DoD back in the day. Watching the current war in Ukraine, the most effective Russian tool is glide bombing, which is conducted by old fashioned manned aircraft. The Ukrainians rely on drones, mostly because they don't have enough aircraft.

And this useless flabby object is being put in charge of efficiency.

And we are suppose to believe that Elon Musk is a military expert?

 

[nvflash]

There is a difference between a drone controlled remotely and a fully autonomous jet.

Fully autonomous jets are way off if ever and drones need to be pretty damed close to the operators for air to air combat where lag can kill.

We don't see much air to air combat anymore, and normally when we do the tech of the two aircraft are hardly equal.

The F-35 came in way overpriced and doesn't really do some of what they sold us it could do half as well as it should, but with the money we put into the program it'll be around for quite some time and still be better at most of it's roles than anything else for the money.

It' s really designed to be the Iran killer, go in, take out the SAMs and any aircraft that foolishly take to the skies to intercept it, maybe hit a few other ground targets.

Grade the road so we can hit deep in Iran on their nuclear sites with our heavy bunker busters.

With Trump in office we may just see how well it does this job.

The F-35 maybe the last manned fighter/multi-roll aircraft we make in production number and it's service life as far as the program is projected to be 2088.

So Musk is kind of right with some of what he is saying, however I just don't see us dropping manned fighters of this kind before 2050 at best.

Humans can perceive things that no computer or sensors can perceive at a far lower cost in real time, in aircraft and not in some remote location with lag time.

Musk is a forward thinker, and sometimes a bullshit artist, but I think he's just seeing a future that is further out than he think it is.

 

[Cope]

Interesting that maybe, just maybe, the new company Musk created, United State of America, Inc., wants a government contract in developing a new drone program for the military.
These grifters have no shame at all.

Not too late to buy a whole lot of Tesla shares ...

 

[uptower]

 

[Questerr]

I think you are the one without competence here.
Drones cost about the same and Manned Fighters! But a Drone can do MAX G maneuvers all day long, don't need sleep, but manned Fighters need a person in the cockpit! So going to unmanned should be achieved ASAP.

And unmanned drones can be turned into bricks by broad spectrum jamming. The AI necessary to have an effective air superiority fighter won’t exist for decades.