- Joined
- May 6, 2016
- Messages
- 1,908
- Reaction score
- 489
- Location
- Colorado
- Gender
- Male
- Political Leaning
- Independent
Donald trump currently leads the republican primaries. Recently, ted cruz and john kasich suspended their campaigns (they won't appear in debates but they keep delegates). Trump has many ideas which appeal to the american public and sound like a good idea but in reality, they will cause more harm than good. Donald trump 1. wants to build a wall across the mexico border and make mexico pay for it. While it is a good idea to tighten on border security, building a wall is a waste of money and making another country pay for it will likely hurt relations with mexico. Trump's solution to isis is 2. to send ground troops and be less careful in airstrikes. The iraqi government is riddled with corruption and many sunnis (and quite a few shia) dislike it (that's how al queda gained prominence in iraq). The government has not been adequate at mending relations with residents of liberated cities such as hit and ramadi. To make iraq stable, american diplomats need to criticize corruption in the government and the government needs to be credited with the islamic state's defeat, not a stronger, foreign power; otherwise, we're back at square one. Also on the middle east, 3. he wants to block muslims from entering, a violation of the first ammendment of the US constitution which he would be swearing to uphold. Probably the biggest reason why trump won't make a good president is because he wants to 4. implement high tariffs on foreign goods and place heavy restrictions on american companies operating abroad. My recommendation for republicans is to vote for the libertarian candidate because they favor small government and capitalism much like the republicans do.
Well lets see:
1. "[W]ants to build a wall across the mexico border and make mexico pay for it."
That's simply bombastic sales talk. He is selling opposition to our current lax immigration and migration policies. He might make an effort to build up some kind of enhanced border monitoring system with symbolic sections of actual wall at high risk entry points, but it is doubtful he will actually build an American version of the Great Wall of China.
Nope its actually one of his 7 policy positions listed on his website
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall
...and how many other Presidents had a list of campaign policy positions which never actually came to fruition once elected? :roll:
So promising stupid **** is a positive for a candidate because they were probably lying anyways...
If that is your position why vote for any candidate?
They ALL have a tendency to stretch the truth beyond all credulity on some point or another.
I prefer to call it "fluffing," or "Puffery." You know, like when you go into a fast food place and they have a picture up of a juicy hamburger which turns out to be five times larger and looks ten times better than the actual product you end up with?
That's what he is doing. He wants to take action on all seven things, and knows that making bold statements about them will draw more voters. :shrug:
That was my summation of your position
Only stupid ones who cant do math about how much the wall would actually cost, ones who dont know anything about international relations that think Mexico will pay for the wall and ones who are so completely ignorant they dont know that most of the illegal immigrants dont cross the border through where the wall would be.
(sigh) So back to my original point which led us down this road...I don't believe he intends to build an actual "great wall of America." :coffeepap:
...and how many other Presidents had a list of campaign policy positions which never actually came to fruition once elected? :roll:
So your position is 'yes, he says crazy, outrageous, dangerous things but he's just saying that stuff to get the nomination. He really doesn't mean any of it."
Got it.
He's not a good choice for President because he's a racist, misogynistic demagogue. Other than that he's just great.
Your fallacy of false attribution in an attempt to lead me down a straw man path of argument is a fail.
YOU believe he "says crazy, outrageous, dangerous things." Don't try to attribute your position to me. :no:
Just as you believe this:
It is merely your personal opinion and the personal opinion of some other like-minded Trump opponents.
Does not make it true.
Feel free to vote that opinion.
I'll feel free to vote mine. :coffeepap:
That he is a racist, misogynistic demagogue isn't even open to debate anymore.
It's what makes him so popular among folks like you.
If it were not "open to debate anymore," then we would not be debating it. Self-declared certitude does not make it true. :no:
The likes of me? What "folks like me" would that be pray tell?
Trump wants to build a wall?
Here in Berlin, we probably still have a couple of experts on building walls he could hire. They have the necessary know-how and could give useful insights.
Reasonable people aren't debating it. Only hardcore right wing extremists believe he isn't a racist...no, that's not right. Hard core right wing extremists know he's a racist - they just don't care.
As for 'folks like you', I'm not sure that needs to be spelled out. Your posts speak for themselves.
Reasonable people aren't debating it. Only hardcore right wing extremists believe he isn't a racist...no, that's not right. Hard core right wing extremists know he's a racist - they just don't care.
As for 'folks like you', I'm not sure that needs to be spelled out. Your posts speak for themselves.
If its so cut and dried how about you prove his racism right here once and for all. You wont, because they guy is not a racist. Liberals, like yourself, just say it without thinking then pretend it is settled science. It is not. But you liberals do that a lot.
Hmm, "hardcore, right wing extremists" don't support gay rights, pro-choice, unions...
I could go on but anyone who has ever reviewed my post history knows better. My posts do speak for themselves, they just don't say what you allege.
Meanwhile, I have already debunked allegations of his racism in other threads. Perhaps following some of those might help you too. :coffeepap:
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?