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People will always disagree but I think what it boils down to is how Jesus said for his followers to act...after all, he'll be the judge...he'll be the one to either say "Well done, good and faithful slave" or "Get away from me, all you workers of unrighteousness"...
Jesus own words...So give some examples of the words of Jesus himself telling his followers how to act. This must be words from Jesus, not from Paul or anyone else pretending to know what Jesus wants his followers to do.
Jesus own words...
A biggie...
"You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said: ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’” Matthew 15:7-9
Jesus' followers believe the Bible wholeheartedly...
"your word is truth." John 17:17
Jesus' followers honor God's name...
"let your name be sanctified." Matthew 6:9
Along with making God's name known, Jesus followers are in full unity with him and Jehovah God...
"I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.” John 17:26
Jesus' followers preach about Jehovah's Kingdom...
“I must also declare the good news of the Kingdom of God to other cities, because for this I was sent.”
Jesus' followers remain separate from the wickedness of this world...that includes politics or social conflicts, just as Jesus was...
"They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world." John 17:16
“My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.” John 18:36
True followers of Jesus have intense love for one another...
"I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” John 13:34,35
Either take the Bible at its word or not...it says they are Jesus' words...I believe they are and try to live by them...Very little of what you presented are the words or actions of Jesus. There are many more examples than the ones you cherry picked to attempt to support your JW beliefs. Jesus said and did some things, according to the story. It seems strange that a Christian as yourself fails to present these.
Either take the Bible at its word or not...it says they are Jesus' words...I believe they are and try to live by them...
You are free to point out what I left out...You have failed to present anything that shows how Jesus acted and what he taught so you have not answered the question of what it means to be Christ-like.
You are free to point out what I left out...
God, guns and money is what they worship.Why do so many American Christians act in most un-Christ like ways? Starting with one of the best known issues is that American Christians support public prayer at sports events, town meetings, on TV, and complain that Christian prayers were taken out of public schools But the being they say they worship had other ideas about public prayer
Matthew 6:5-6 NRSV
5 “And whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, so that they may be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward.
6 But whenever you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
I would venture to say that the majority of American Christians support violent self defence. They also often express opposition to government aid for the homeless and needy
Matthew 5:38-42 NIV
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’
39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.
42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
American Christians bitch and moan about Sleepy Joe's open borders and allowing homeless people to clutter roads and streets in the 'their' cities and towns.
Matthew 25:34 & 43-46 KJV
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
for
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Many American Christians who view themselves as conservative are constantly ranting about socialised medicine and how it takes money away from those who have earned it.
Matthew 10:8-9 NET
8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.
9 Do not take gold, silver, or copper in your belts
So, tell the curious – Why do so many Christians not only act in un-Christ like manner, they actively oppose the efforts of others who are trying to follow the rules of Jesus?
Is a preacher with a private jet, a multi-million dollar estate, holidays at expensive resorts act in a Christ-like manner? Is a preacher calling for the execution of gays, the subservience of women and the imposition of their faith on all Americans acting in a Christ-like manner?
lol...nice dodge but no cigar...You are the self proclaimed expert at bible truth and you can’t find anything more? No, I won’t do your work for you. You still have not presented a full profile of the Jesus character from your favorite story book. You have still not shown any evidence of how this character acted and the words he said that tells us what it means to be Christ-like.
lol...nice dodge but no cigar...
Wrong...I gave you Jesus' own words as recorded in the Bible...that is what a Christian's life should be based on...any person who tells you they are a Christian but they are not interested in living according to Jesus' own words, is a liar...You are the one dodging, as is everyone else in this thread. Unless it can be shown what it means to be Christ-like, we can’t show if any Christians act un-Christ like. And the only way to do this is to first present evidence of how Christ acted, which no one has done yet.
Wrong...I gave you Jesus' own words as recorded in the Bible...that is what a Christian's life should be based on...any person who tells you they are a Christian but they are not interested in living according to Jesus' own words, is a liar...
"If you keep my commands, remain in my love you will, as I have kept my Father’s commands and am remaining in his love." John 15:10
What a load of liberal horse manure. And you sound like you're not big on capitalism so, by default, socialism must be the answer. Socialism is a black market for toilet paper. In addition, progressives aren't really progressive. They're regressive, all the way back to Sodom and Gomorrah.God, guns and money is what they worship.
Thanks to capitalism, they want it all and they want it now. Instant gratification is the rage.
A sad petty culture prevails.
So stingy, so selfish, so impatient, such a lack of compassion only rivaled by their lack of true patriotism.
American Christians on the whole would rather be infotained than informed, win the lottery rather than work for success.
They are soft, out of shape, over indulged, do not eat in a healthy way, do not exercise enough to stay fit.
And they do not get enough sleep. Overworked and placated with violent entertainment. So many movies feature violent revenge and sick depravity that it is hard to find a wholesome show to watch. They are rare.
In America it is no big surprise to encounter a loud modified exhaust on an overpriced gas guzzling lifted pickup truck with fake genitals hanging from the bumper and a disrespected American flag dragging over a dirty tailgate in total violation of US flag code, and a bumper sticker about 'loving Jesus and guns' on the back.
I am not surprised 'Christians' act so un-Christ like.
What a load of liberal horse manure. And you sound like you're not big on capitalism so, by default, socialism must be the answer. Socialism is a black market for toilet paper. In addition, progressives aren't really progressive. They're regressive, all the way back to Sodom and Gomorrah.
Also, I thought of this while reading your rant:
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Assumption incorrect. Missed by a mile. Absurd reply indicates a general lack of Christian values found in the Bible.What a load of liberal horse manure. And you sound like you're not big on capitalism so, by default, socialism must be the answer. Socialism is a black market for toilet paper. In addition, progressives aren't really progressive. They're regressive, all the way back to Sodom and Gomorrah.
Also, I thought of this while reading your rant:
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The non-snarky answer is that Christianity is not for most people. It's a difficult behavioral standard, as its prescriptions and prohibitions run counter to basic survival instincts, familial loyalty and primate tendency to form classes and in-groups.Why do so many American Christians act in most un-Christ like ways? Starting with one of the best known issues is that American Christians support public prayer at sports events, town meetings, on TV, and complain that Christian prayers were taken out of public schools But the being they say they worship had other ideas about public prayer
Matthew 6:5-6 NRSV
5 “And whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, so that they may be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward.
6 But whenever you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
I would venture to say that the majority of American Christians support violent self defence. They also often express opposition to government aid for the homeless and needy
Matthew 5:38-42 NIV
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’
39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.
42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
American Christians bitch and moan about Sleepy Joe's open borders and allowing homeless people to clutter roads and streets in the 'their' cities and towns.
Matthew 25:34 & 43-46 KJV
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
for
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Many American Christians who view themselves as conservative are constantly ranting about socialised medicine and how it takes money away from those who have earned it.
Matthew 10:8-9 NET
8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.
9 Do not take gold, silver, or copper in your belts
So, tell the curious – Why do so many Christians not only act in un-Christ like manner, they actively oppose the efforts of others who are trying to follow the rules of Jesus?
Is a preacher with a private jet, a multi-million dollar estate, holidays at expensive resorts act in a Christ-like manner? Is a preacher calling for the execution of gays, the subservience of women and the imposition of their faith on all Americans acting in a Christ-like manner?
Jesus was a socialist, totally into sharing the wealth.
It is not possible to worship wealth or capitalism and be a true Christian. It would be easier for an elephant to pass through the eye of a needle than to do that.
"Jesus was not a socialist. Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production are owned by the collective. Jesus never once addressed the means of production or the collective. Calling Jesus a socialist is like calling Julius Caesar a hacker. Charity is not socialism. Sharing is not socialism. Being nice to your fellow man is not socialism. Care for the poor is not socialism. Healthcare is not socialism. Those misconceptions are derived from confusion over what socialism is (ownership of the means of production by the collective) with what socialism claims to provide (charity, redistribution of wealth, equality, etc.)."
https://www.quora.com/Was-Jesus-a-socialist-1
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Was Jesus a Socialist?
Jesus’ teaching could easily be considered socialist, but it’s probably much closer to pure communism than the sort of mixed governmental system most commonly associated with socialism today.
His preaching encouraged generosity and sharing while attacking unnecessary wealth. The Old Testament was a selfish, unforgiving, and hard-hearted affair, with God supposedly calling for people to take “an eye for an eye”. During this time, God theoretically wanted the Jews to triumph over and repress all non-Jews. He made it clear that other groups of people were essentially worthless by comparison.
When God decided to show up as Jesus, it appears he changed his (supposedly infallible) mind and turned his teachings 180 degrees from what the fables in the Old Testament had prescribed. Suddenly, Jesus preached the exact opposite. “Turning the other cheek” was the new way to pursue holiness, and Jesus made it clear that “it’s easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven”. Parables like that of the “Good Samaritan” made it clear that Jesus wanted his followers to help everyone in need - regardless of their race, nationality, or religion.
These New Testament teachings couldn’t possibly be any more communist (apart from the fact that they’re religious). Communists want everyone to help everyone, and they believe that no one should be left to suffer because of poverty while a fellow citizen hoards money to buy a yacht. Almost everything Jesus taught is anti-capitalist. He argues for sharing and no-strings-attached giving… to the point that it’s better to have given yourself into near-poverty than to live comfortably while others starve or are homeless. These teachings are regularly bastardized by conservative Christians who want to bend the Bible to fit their rather selfish view of the world, but Jesus’ teachings are unambiguous and clear-cut. They support giving whenever possible, and since voting for leftist candidates is one of the most effective means of giving, Jesus would have been a flaming liberal.
"Jesus was not a socialist. Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production are owned by the collective. Jesus never once addressed the means of production or the collective. Calling Jesus a socialist is like calling Julius Caesar a hacker. Charity is not socialism. Sharing is not socialism. Being nice to your fellow man is not socialism. Care for the poor is not socialism. Healthcare is not socialism. Those misconceptions are derived from confusion over what socialism is (ownership of the means of production by the collective) with what socialism claims to provide (charity, redistribution of wealth, equality, etc.)."
https://www.quora.com/Was-Jesus-a-socialist-1
To be clear, one can be wealthy and also a Christian, understanding money is not to be worshiped. God blesses individual with wealth a number of times in the Bible - Solomon, Job, Abraham, etc. What Jesus never taught was forced redistribution of wealth, which is, at its core, a radical left wing economic scheme centered in greed and covetousness for other people’s money, rather than exercising personal responsibility and initiative and earning it one’s self.
"It is America’s men and women of wealth, imbued with religious and civic responsibility, who have served as the greatest patrons of the civic infrastructure, be it hospitals, libraries, museums, the arts, or the charitable United Way. England once had those patrons, but they went away as redistribution of wealth came in." And although giving and charity are commanded by the Lord, nowhere in the Bible does it say that giving must first be filtered through a bloated and inefficient government bureaucracy. The Bible says that a man shall reap what he sows, but it doesn’t say we should live off of what other people sow to the extent that everyone becomes equally disadvantaged." - http://righterreport.com/2011/10/08/obama-vs-the-bible-redistribution-of-wealth/
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