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Why do conservatives think companies who shipped jobs to Mexico or China deserve a massive tax cut?

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Why do conservatives think companies who shipped jobs to Mexico or China deserve a massive tax cut?
 
Conservatives don't think at all, they feel, and they vibe, and they bootlick.
 
The real cause of outsourcing is overregulation and high labor costs, not tax breaks. Every dumbass regulation increases costs, and it all adds up.
 
aociswundumho said:
The real cause of outsourcing is overregulation and high labor costs, not tax breaks. Every dumbass regulation increases costs, and it all adds up.
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How many Trump supporters would want to work for no benefits and one dollar an hour?
 
Yes_Minister said:
Why do conservatives think companies who shipped jobs to Mexico or China deserve a massive tax cut?
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Because they make campaign contributions and lavish lobbying money on the Republican Party. Obviously.
 
Yes_Minister said:
Why do conservatives think companies who shipped jobs to Mexico or China deserve a massive tax cut?
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They don't deserve a whack for looking to reduce costs. We. the taxpayers, owe no loyalty to them either.

This should all operate by common sense. The reason they should keep job here is because an consumer economy requires consumers. If the public can't afford to consume, if they have any smarts, they don't spend. Even if they do its on credit and that isn't sustainable.

If you want to take these greedy bastards to task for something THAT is what you ought to chop them down on. It is that they have no compunction about selling on credit to make every penny they can make from you, knowing the system is going to eventually crash around the inability to pay, and their foreknowledge of that means they are ready to move on a dime, literally, and haul ass to keep from being sucked into to the gapping hole that crash will create, and they will have moved on. Having sucked any oxygen left to breath in that economy out with them as they exist.

They are NOT nationals. They are globalists. They are NOT Republican of Democrats. They are apolitical and their body politic is only "What makes us richer."

We are not a society of Leftists and RIghtists, Democrats or Republicans. We are a society of those who have some and those who have a GREAT deal more.

One out numbers the other by hundreds of millions, but the one vastly smaller in number are currently winning.

I am NOT anti-wealthy. I am not even saying the wealthy are anti the lesser economically situated. What I am saying is the wealthy are SO poisoned by the acquisition of the drug of more money and power that they will gladly kill the goose that lays their golden eggs. So addicted to it they will cut off their own noses, as well as ours, to acquire their drugs of choice.
 
aociswundumho said:
Probably not too many.

Am I suppose to guess what point you are trying to make here?
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So the choice is working at wages no one can live in the US or have your jobs shipped to Mexico or China? I can see why Trump supporters are mad about that, but they are blaming Canada or Japan for choices made by US corporations.
 
MAGAnificent said:
Ever heard of a minimum wage? Has not been a dollar an hour since the 1960s.
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And that's why US corporations shipped jobs to Mexico or China. Would you want to work for a dollar an hour so US corporations don't ship your job to Mexico or China?
 
Yes_Minister said:
And that's why US corporations shipped jobs to Mexico or China. Would you want to work for a dollar an hour so US corporations don't ship your job to Mexico or China?
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Not quite that simple. The lack of fair-trade agreements has been the biggest single cause of US corporations moving to Mexico or China. It's not all about wages. Prior to Trump, corporations could move operations to Mexico and sell their product back in the states at a competitive rate. Now tariffs will even the playing field and bring many of them back to avoid tariffs. Many have already committed to doing so.
 
Yes_Minister said:
So the choice is working at wages no one can live in the US or have your jobs shipped to Mexico or China? I can see why Trump supporters are mad about that, but they are blaming Canada or Japan for choices made by US corporations.
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Why give a shit about the worker? Just look at france. Nowhere in the world are workers more pampered - short weeks, early retirements, endless protections. Has it made them rich? Not even close. The french are far poorer than americans. Why? Because all those labor protections come with a price: high taxes, low productivity, and an economy that punishes innovation.
 

Okay, don't give a crap about workers, watch them get angry about it and vote in a con man who brings in a bunch of nonsense tariffs.

Do you really think Americans working for a dollar an hour, with no benefits would be good for them?
 

Okay and how are tariffs not an government imposition on the free market then? Do the companies that shipped American jobs to Mexico or China deserve a giant tax break?

Like how are tariffs on Canada supposed save American jobs? How many American jobs has Canada "stole"?
 
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Okay and how are tariffs not an government imposition on the free market then? Do the companies that shipped American jobs to Mexico or China deserve a giant tax break?
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When trade is balanced, it's not an imposition. And if an American company is no longer able to remain competitive in the US making their product outside the US due to tariffs, they tend to move operations back or avoid leaving to begin with.
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Like how are tariffs on Canada supposed save American jobs? How many American jobs has Canada "stole"?
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Dumping Canadian government subsidized lumber into the US has cost many jobs in the US lumber industry.
 
MAGAnificent said:
When trade is balanced, it's not an imposition. And if an American company is no longer able to remain competitive in the US making their product outside the US due to tariffs, they tend to move operations back or avoid leaving to begin with.
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Tariffs are government interference with the free market.


MAGAnificent said:
Dumping Canadian government subsidized lumber into the US has cost many jobs in the US lumber industry.
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Doesn't the US dump subsidized corn into Mexico? When is Trump going to stop that?
 
MAGAnificent said:
So talk to Carney and get our nation's tariffs on the US eliminated. Otherwise reciprocal tariffs are coming.
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Okay, then you don't actually believe in the free market, because it seems like you are saying that the government interfere with the free market with tariffs.


MAGAnificent said:
Perhaps not if Mexico signs a fair trade deal.
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Has Trump indicated that he would stop dumping subsidized corn on Mexico?
 
Yes_Minister said:
Okay, then you don't actually believe in the free market, because it seems like you are saying that the government interfere with the free market with tariffs.
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I very much believe in the free market and would be delighted if there were no tariffs anywhere, as long as everyone played by the same rules. That unfortunately is not the cases. America has been screwed on trade for decades. Trump did not invent tariffs. We have been hit with them at greater levels then what Trump is proposing.
Yes_Minister said:
Has Trump indicated that he would stop dumping subsidized corn on Mexico?
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You do realize that Mexico also dumps a variety of produce in America, as well, don't you?
 
Then why is Trump insisting tariffs remain on Japan and Europe in these new deals?

The fact is, if you support Trump's tariffs, you are supporting government interference into the free market, it's obvious.

MAGAnificent said:
You do realize that Mexico also dumps a variety of produce in America, as well, don't you?
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So is the US dumping subsidized corn on Mexico fair trade?
 
Yes_Minister said:
Then why is Trump insisting tariffs remain on Japan and Europe in these new deals?

The fact is, if you support Trump's tariffs, you are supporting government interference into the free market, it's obvious.
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Get rid of Canadian tariffs on the US. Then we can talk.
 
MAGAnificent said:
Get rid of Canadian tariffs on the US. Then we can talk.
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Are you going to get rid of tariffs on softwood lumber, or do you want a one-sided deal?

Because if you are going to claim that Canada subsidizes its lumber industry, I can continue to point out that the US subsidizes its dairy and corn industries. Do you think the rules shouldn't apply to the US?
 
Yes_Minister said:
Why do conservatives think companies who shipped jobs to Mexico or China deserve a massive tax cut?
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Conservatives don't get it. Conservatives don't get that the rich will be just fine. It is the 99% who need the government more than the billionaires. The billionaires think government is something to buy and control for their own purposes. We, the People, need a government that serves us, one that responds to us, not them. Billionaires shouldn't count any more in government's eyes than any of the rest of us.

But still, conservatives seem to live to serve the rich. They want government to be totally controlled by the rich and for the rich.

The rich appear to control what conservatives think, what they believe. That's why they spend big money on right wing think tanks. To shape public opinion, to spread right wing rumors. The right is so gullible. Big money has the right wrapped around their little pinky finger. All the right wing rumors are implanted by big money.

What a bunch of sad dupes.
 

That’s borderline childlike naivete. Isn’t it more realistic to assume politicians will almost always act in their own self-interest?
 
aociswundumho said:
That’s borderline childlike naivete. Isn’t it more realistic to assume politicians will almost always act in their own self-interest?
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That's a fair assumption as long as government can be bought.

That is why we need to achieve a government which cannot be bought.

(Queue the naysayers who refuse to believe anything which has never been done can be done....)

There are politicians who cannot be bought. We simply need more of them. For that, we need people to support them. That requires vision and being well informed.

Our democracy depends on the active engagement of a well informed populace. The reason it is not working very well is because we do not have that.
 
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