Why aren't Women included in Selective Service?

[Cyrus Alimonte]

A genuine question, I am curious. Why aren't they included in it? Instead of just men between the ages of 18-25, why not include women in it? More potential troops to be drafted, and it would strive more towards the Equality that woman seek. Yet again, a genuine question, I have a feeling some would see this as misogynistic

 

[Peacenik]

Here's a predicament.

Are trans women subject to the Selective Service?

Right wingers must have to turn themselves inside out to figure out an answer.

Will it be:

"They were born as males so they have to register!"

or

"We can't have any trans women in the military because we don't want them screwing up morale."

The answer they really want is:

"Oh just lock them up. We'll figure out a reason later."

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

A genuine question, I am curious. Why aren't they included in it? Instead of just men between the ages of 18-25, why not include women in it? More potential troops to be drafted, and it would strive more towards the Equality that woman seek. Yet again, a genuine question, I have a feeling some would see this as misogynistic

Because.....its a very VERY depraved nation.....that sends its women off to war. IMHO.

 

[Loulit01]

A genuine question, I am curious. Why aren't they included in it? Instead of just men between the ages of 18-25, why not include women in it? More potential troops to be drafted, and it would strive more towards the Equality that woman seek. Yet again, a genuine question, I have a feeling some would see this as misogynistic

Congress would need to pass a law amending the Military Selective Service Act. Since 2016, women are not barred from combat positions, so it's a good question.

Personally, I think drafting women is a terrible idea. Not because they can't do the job, but because the bedrock purpose of any society must be to protect the women and children. If they want to volunteer, fine. Draft them, no.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Here's a predicament.

Are trans women subject to the Selective Service?

Right wingers must have to turn themselves inside out to figure out an answer.

Will it be:

"They were born as males so they have to register!"

or

"We can't have any trans women in the military because we don't want them screwing up morale."

The answer they really want is:

"Oh just lock them up. We'll figure out a reason later."

^^ See.....now you would be wise to let that sort of nonsense go before the next election cycle.

America has spoken: It would rather have a complete retard like Trump than be required to pretend that men are women.

 

[Loulit01]

Here's a predicament.

Are trans women subject to the Selective Service?

Right wingers must have to turn themselves inside out to figure out an answer.

Will it be:

"They were born as males so they have to register!"

or

"We can't have any trans women in the military because we don't want them screwing up morale."

The answer they really want is:

"Oh just lock them up. We'll figure out a reason later."

Didn't Hegseth just kick trans people out of the military?

 

[Peacenik]

Didn't Hegseth just kick trans people out of the military?

So that would be a rather drastic way to get out of serving. Either that or find a doctor to claim you have "bone spurs."

 

[BirdinHand]

There should not be any forced military service.

Period.

 

[Loulit01]

There should not be any forced military service.

Period.

I agree, I just didn't want to widen the discussion.
Conscription is slavery.

 

[CaughtInThe]

The women could just say they have bone spurs.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

There should not be any forced military service.

Period.

Then its always going to be the economically disadvantaged that join.

These silly pretend "wars" would stop REAL quick if these turds had to send their own family members.

 

[Loulit01]

Then its always going to be the economically disadvantaged that join.

These silly pretend "wars" would stop REAL quick if these turds had to send their own family members.

But they never do have to send their own family members. Did Trump go?

 

[Luce]

A genuine question, I am curious. Why aren't they included in it? Instead of just men between the ages of 18-25, why not include women in it? More potential troops to be drafted, and it would strive more towards the Equality that woman seek. Yet again, a genuine question, I have a feeling some would see this as misogynistic

I am against a draft, due to the way it ****s up the military, but if there is going to be a draft, it should include everyone 18-25, with no exceptions whatsoever.

 

[BirdinHand]

Then its always going to be the economically disadvantaged that join.

These silly pretend "wars" would stop REAL quick if these turds had to send their own family members.

Even with Selective Service, it’s always been the economically disadvantaged.

Look at our current POTUS.

He dodged the draft.

 

[Grand Mal]

There should not be any forced military service.

Period.

For one thing, without compulsory military service Donald Trump might never have been born in America. His grandfather fled Bavaria to avoid military service and was refused when he tried to return so Trumps father was born in the Bronx.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Whether or not a policy is followed depends on the needs of the military at the time.

For example, during the Vietnam era draft, it was the policy that homosexuals were not fit for military service. Many draftees went before their draft boards claiming to be gay and therefore exempt from the draft. When the boards expressed skepticism, many offered to prove they were gay right then and there, in front of God and everybody. Nevertheless, they were drafted, in spite of the policy. The military needed bodies. No point in allowing a standing policy to get in the way.

 

[Loulit01]

This is what the draft did.

Approximately 300,000 African Americans served in the Vietnam War. In 1965, African Americans filled 31% of the ground combat battalions in Vietnam, while the percentage of African Americans as a minority in the general population was 12%. In 1965, African Americans suffered 24% of the U.S. Army's fatal casualties. African Americans saw combat at a higher percentage and suffered casualties at a higher rate. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. referred to the Vietnam War as a white man’s war, a black man’s fight. See: Vietnam in Military Statistics: A History of the Indochina Wars, 1772-1991, M. Clodfelter (pp. 243, 255) and Vietnam War: The Essential Reference Guide, J. Willbanks (pp. 4-5).

Research Guides: Racial, Ethnic, and Religious Minorities in the Vietnam War: A Resource Guide: Introduction

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I also think there are prices too high to pay to save the United States. Conscription is one of them. Conscription is slavery, and I don't think that any people or nation has a right to save itself at the price of slavery for anyone, no matter what name it is called. We have had the draft for twenty years now; I think this is shameful. If a country can't save itself through the volunteer service of its own free people, then I say: Let the damned thing go down the drain!

Robert A. Heinlein

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[btthegreat]

Because we failed to pass the ERA, so legislatures, including Congress get to pick and choose when sex/gender identification should be a discriminating factor and when sex/gender identification should not be a discriminating factor without SCOTUS demanding a strict scrutiny standard or any legal burden be met to justify discrimination. The problem with the Military Selective Service Act discriminatory treatment is that even assuming that women should not be required do perform equal duties in fighting zones, the act is not narrowly constructed to prohibit those assignments. It obliged young men to put their names on a list to potentially put their personal lives on hold for years of service, and obliges young women to do absolutely nothing. Young women and young men can both put their lives on hold for their country even if they do different things in different places, and should be equally compelled or not compelled to put in the time and sacrifice.

There is no earthy reason for that kind of disparate treatment based on sex, or gender.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Even with Selective Service, it’s always been the economically disadvantaged.

Look at our current POTUS.

He dodged the draft.

I know thats how Selective Service is.

If military were compulsory, you would see changes.

But its the way it is to keep up the illusion of "freedom" and "volunteer service" and blah blah BLAH.

"Everybody know the poor always getting ****ed over by the rich."
-Private King, Platoon

 

[RF667799]

This is what the draft did.

Approximately 300,000 African Americans served in the Vietnam War. In 1965, African Americans filled 31% of the ground combat battalions in Vietnam, while the percentage of African Americans as a minority in the general population was 12%. In 1965, African Americans suffered 24% of the U.S. Army's fatal casualties. African Americans saw combat at a higher percentage and suffered casualties at a higher rate. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. referred to the Vietnam War as a white man’s war, a black man’s fight. See: Vietnam in Military Statistics: A History of the Indochina Wars, 1772-1991, M. Clodfelter (pp. 243, 255) and Vietnam War: The Essential Reference Guide, J. Willbanks (pp. 4-5).

Research Guides: Racial, Ethnic, and Religious Minorities in the Vietnam War: A Resource Guide: Introduction

American minority groups served in all branches of the military during the Vietnam War. This guide comprises Library of Congress digital resources and print materials related to the topic. American minority groups served in all branches of the military during the Vietnam War. This guide...

guides.loc.gov

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I also think there are prices too high to pay to save the United States. Conscription is one of them. Conscription is slavery, and I don't think that any people or nation has a right to save itself at the price of slavery for anyone, no matter what name it is called. We have had the draft for twenty years now; I think this is shameful. If a country can't save itself through the volunteer service of its own free people, then I say: Let the damned thing go down the drain!

Robert A. Heinlein

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Black and white died in Vietnam at virtually the same rate as their representation in the population as a whole.

 

[Irredentist]

Because we failed to pass the ERA, so legislatures, including Congress get to pick and choose when sex/gender identification should be a discriminating factor and when sex/gender identification should not be a discriminating factor without SCOTUS demanding a strict scrutiny standard or any legal burden be met to justify discrimination. The problem with the Military Selective Service Act discriminatory treatment is that even assuming that women should not be required do perform equal duties in fighting zones, the act is not narrowly constructed to prohibit those assignments. It obliged young men to put their names on a list to potentially put their personal lives on hold for years of service, and obliges young women to do absolutely nothing. Young women and young men can both put their lives on hold for their country even if they do different things in different places, and should be equally compelled or not compelled to put in the time and sacrifice.

There is no earthy reason for that kind of disparate treatment based on sex, or gender.

It seems like the simplest solution is to abolish the draft. That would be equal for men and women.

 

[btthegreat]

It seems like the simplest solution is to abolish the draft. That would be equal for men and women.

We don't have a draft to abolish. It takes an act of Congress to do anything by the same exact legislative process so abolishing something that does not exist is performative. What we have is a collection of data so that we could enact a draft efficiently and effectively if Congress deemed one necessary. The Military Selective Service Act is outdated anyway, so I really don't care what we do with the dinosaur bones.

I do care that we do not treat young men as though they have a duty to perform and serve their country, but not young women.

 

[Irredentist]

We don't have a draft to abolish. It takes an act of Congress to do anything by the same exact legislative process so abolishing something that does not exist is performative. What we have is a collection of data so that we could enact a draft efficiently and effectively if Congress deemed one necessary. The Military Selective Service Act is outdated anyway, so I really don't care what we do with the dinosaur bones.

I do care that we do not treat young men as though they have a duty to perform and serve their country, but not young women.

So what should we do then? Delete the data?

 

[btthegreat]

So what should we do then? Delete the data?

Congress should completely overhaul the act, decide if they are even saving any valuable time by acquiring any data ahead of an actual draft bill. I suspect with modern technology the same lists can be generated rather quickly without the snail mail card I sent on my 18th birthday. Its pretty easy for the Federal Govt to find folks these days.

 

[Lursa]

A genuine question, I am curious. Why aren't they included in it? Instead of just men between the ages of 18-25, why not include women in it? More potential troops to be drafted, and it would strive more towards the Equality that woman seek. Yet again, a genuine question, I have a feeling some would see this as misogynistic

Old-style laws made almost exclusively by men.

I'm against the draft but think that women should be included if we have it. What do you think and why?