Why are women inferior?

[Jerry]

Seriously, WTF?

Sure, women have men beat when it comes to sex, but is that it?

Only in modern democratic sociaties are women becoming equal, but why is that?

Why do women, 51 percent of the population, make up like 5 percent (at most) of the individuals who actually create anything?

Don't tell me about the exceptions: I know about them.

Don't say it was because women are an oppressed class; this might be true, but it begs the question: Why did women let themselves become "an oppressed class" if they did not in some way deserve to be one?

The feminists of the 1900s met with much more resistance from women than they ever did from men: I don't deny that they were themselves exceptional, but the fact remains that the women of their time were hostile to the movement, which can only mean that the average woman of the 1900s knew that she was an inferior type of human and did not want her status to change.

Is this simply because women are uncreative, afraid of conflict and skeptical of change? Obviously they would not have suffered such low status throughout the centuries if they had not somehow deserved to.

Is it genetic? Is it learned? Is it biblical? Is it all Da White Man's fault?

 

[Panache]

Why do women, 51 percent of the population, make up like 5 percent (at most) of the individuals who actually create anything?

Where did you get this idea?

 

[Jerry]

Where did you get this idea?

If you've got somthing, bring it. I wana see.

 

[talloulou]

I don't think we are inferior but as to oppression there are numerous reasons. The big one, I think, is that we aren't as selfish as men. Even with couples where both parents work in most of them the women are the ones doing the majority of caretaking for the family and answering to the emotional needs of everyone. Women are more apt to take off from work for things like maternity leave as well as being the one more often than not that has to go pick the kids up from school when they're sick and what not. Many many working women are more invested in their families than their jobs. We have a stronger nuturing side.

As far as that rot about women only creating about 5% of the $hit that's obvious bull$hit right there.

Who here was not created by a woman?????

duh:2rofll:

Even today with more women graduating from colleges with degrees than men you have many of those women leaving the workforce to go home and create families and take care of those families.

No matter how hard women work in life men are simply not going to pick up the slack and start gestating babies. So WTF is wrong with you men?

 

[Panache]

Well, I walk into a bookstore and I see about the same number of female authors as male authors.

I watch a movie and I see about the same number of actresses as actors.

I go to a ballet and I see way more Ballarinas than Ballet Masters.

I go to a concert and I see at least as many female floutists as male ones.

In most of the families I know the Lady of the house creates the vast majority of the "culinary art" as it were.

If you have sources for your 5%(at most) figure, I should think it would behoove you to post them, as it would dramatically strengthen what seems an otherwise weak argument.

 

[americanwoman]

a quick google search later:

About 20% of all inventors are currently female and that number should quickly rise to 50% over the next generation

A little more than 5% I would say.
source:How Many Women Inventors are There?



For a list on some of woman's greatest creators:
Great Women Inventors

Here's one of the best:

Gertrude B. Elion
Gertrude B. Elion, 1988 Nobel laureate in Medicine, and Scientist Emeritus with Burroughs Wellcome Company, is credited with the synthesis of two of the first successful drugs for Leukemia, as well as Imuron, an agent to prevent the rejection of kidney transplants, and Zovirax, the first selective antiviral agent against herpes virus infections. Researchers who discovered AZT, a breakthrough treatment for AIDS, used Elion's protocols. Elion was inducted into the National Inventors Hall of Fame in 1991, the first woman inductee. More

:roll: geez, thank goodness for that woman.


Even more great woman:

National Women's Hall of Fame
Women in History - Historic Figures
Timeline of Famous Women
Women's biographies: Distinguished Women of Past and Present
Biographies of Notable Women
Famous Firsts by American Women




This poll is unbelievably sexist and I am surprised at you Jerry.




:thumbdown

 

[Jerry]

I don't think we are inferior but as to oppression there are numerous reasons. The big one, I think, is that we aren't as selfish as men. Even with couples where both parents work in most of them the women are the ones doing the majority of caretaking for the family and answering to the emotional needs of everyone. Women are more apt to take off from work for things like maternity leave as well as being the one more often than not that has to go pick the kids up from school when they're sick and what not. Many many working women are more invested in their families than their jobs. We have a stronger nuturing side.

As far as that rot about women only creating about 5% of the $hit that's obvious bull$hit right there.

Who here was not created by a woman?????

duh:2rofll:

Even today with more women graduating from colleges with degrees than men you have many of those women leaving the workforce to go home and create families and take care of those families.

No matter how hard women work in life men are simply not going to pick up the slack and start gestating babies. So WTF is wrong with you men?

So you're saying that women have historically and are today inferior because they have babies and men don't?

So, in your estimation, women are only equal if they don't have children?

If so, that sounds like radical Feminism to me.

 

[Jerry]

If you have sources for your 5%(at most) figure, I should think it would behoove you to post them, as it would dramatically strengthen what seems an otherwise weak argument.

It's a question, not an argument.

Well, I walk into a bookstore and I see about the same number of female authors as male authors.

I watch a movie and I see about the same number of actresses as actors.

I go to a ballet and I see way more Ballarinas than Ballet Masters.

I go to a concert and I see at least as many female floutists as male ones.

In most of the families I know the Lady of the house creates the vast majority of the "culinary art" as it were.

So you're saying that modern Feminists who argue that women are, in various ways, oppresses or unequal, really have nothing to bitch about?

 

[Jerry]

a quick google search later:

A little more than 5% I would say.
source:How Many Women Inventors are There?

For a list on some of woman's greatest creators:
Great Women Inventors

Here's one of the best:

:roll: geez, thank goodness for that woman.
Even more great woman:

National Women's Hall of Fame
Women in History - Historic Figures
Timeline of Famous Women
Women's biographies: Distinguished Women of Past and Present
Biographies of Notable Women
Famous Firsts by American Women

This poll is unbelievably sexist and I am surprised at you Jerry.

:thumbdown

So you also claim that modern Feminism really has no base to argue oppression?

 

[americanwoman]

So you also claim that modern Feminism really has no base to argue oppression?

aha, now I get it :mrgreen: While there are more hurdles to conquer I would agree though there isn't exactly any oppression towards woman in the US.

 

[Jerry]

aha, now I get it :mrgreen: While there are more hurdles to conquer I would agree though there isn't exactly any oppression towards woman in the US.

You lost faith in me for a moment, didn't you?

 

[Jerry]

Now that we're on the second page:

To compare women with men is like comparing apples with oranges.

They are just different.

I think the cause for Feminist's concern about women not being upto men arises from the false heterosexual notion of equality which is taken to mean 'sameness'. When women and men are brought togther to share the same social space --- then women will automatically become a secondary being, becuase she is not physically as powerful as the man.

Also, when in the modern world, women are not really involved in procreating and child rearing that much, something which is naturally her domain --- then she is forced to apply her in the fields that men are naturally designed for. She tries her best, and the heterosexual society really props her, but she can only achieve this much and not more.

Perhaps we could return to doing things we were best at. naturally.

Also most women did not support feminism (perhaps most still don't) because they did not find the medieval society all that repressive. Afterall, it gave her and her children security --- and in the final analysis that is what a woman naturally cares for the most. The rest are secondary. Especially sexuality is not as important to her. I think that today's liberated woman is much more unhappy than she ever was. Children, motherhood and nurturing hardly form a major part of her life today.

Sure the medieval society took outer power from the women. But does she really care for outer power? It becomes important only when she is forced to compete with the man, as if she were a man.

Of course the heterosexual society has its own compulsions to force 'sameness' on men and women. Their bonding is not possible without it.

 

[Panache]

It's a question, not an argument.

Yeah, I was being lazy again. I meant to say that a source for the 5% figure would lend credibility to an assumption which the question you posed took for granted.

So you're saying that modern Feminists who argue that women are, in various ways, oppresses or unequal, really have nothing to bitch about?

That is not what I am saying at all. Their tax money is still wasted by an incompentant government. I am just saying that they don't have anything more to bitch about than the rest of us do.

 

[Hatuey]

Men are superior because we can pee standing up! Well...women can too...but not as easily! muahahahahaha.

 

[bandaidwoman]

I guess all my years as a research chemist I didn't produce anything. :mrgreen:

My current work as senior partner I see way more patients and have a higher work load than my male partners and I see it at the end of quarterly returns. However, I am able to put in the 85-90 hours work week because my husband does all the errands associated with my daughter ( takes her to school ( since I am usually at work at 6 am) , does homework, gets dinner ready , takes her to karate etc.). (I have to make evening rounds with the med students at the hospital. ) However, my other counterparts are still saddled with those responsibilities and I feel sorry for them, thus their work week are not as productive as mine. I think most women still shoulder the main responsibility of child rearing than the man but if put to the task the men can manage child rearing responsibilites just as well. However, this should be choice for both men and women, ( in terms of spending a large part of their time with child rearing responsibilites.) I was lucky to have worked out an arrangement both of us are happy with, but others I know are not as lucky.

 

[WI Crippler]

Men are superior because we can pee standing up! Well...women can too...but not as easily! muahahahahaha.

And we can pee sitting down too....

Its a little messier though...

 

[talloulou]

Now that we're on the second page:

To compare women with men is like comparing apples with oranges.

They are just different.

I agree.

I think the cause for Feminist's concern about women not being upto men arises from the false heterosexual notion of equality which is taken to mean 'sameness'. When women and men are brought togther to share the same social space --- then women will automatically become a secondary being, becuase she is not physically as powerful as the man.

Men are generally physically stronger agreed. But a women who knows how to train men with special treats will balance the power a bit.

Also, when in the modern world, women are not really involved in procreating and child rearing that much, something which is naturally her domain --- then she is forced to apply her in the fields that men are naturally designed for. She tries her best, and the heterosexual society really props her, but she can only achieve this much and not more.

This is just hogwash. Total rot. Women are involved in procreating and child rearing and even when they are working they are still for the most part food shopping, doing laundry, and getting dinner on the table. I don't know any women with kids who would agree with this absurd idea that the world has modernized to the point that they no longer need to spend tons of time raising and caring for their kids.

Also most women did not support feminism (perhaps most still don't) because they did not find the medieval society all that repressive. Afterall, it gave her and her children security --- and in the final analysis that is what a woman naturally cares for the most.

I do think feminists have done many women wrong and they continue to do so this day with books and what not about how a woman staying home with her kids is doing something wrong.

Especially sexuality is not as important to her.

This is rot. If my man stopped having sex with me that would be a deal breaker.

I think that today's liberated woman is much more unhappy than she ever was. Children, motherhood and nurturing hardly form a major part of her life today.

I think many women have too much on their plate and that is why they are unhappy. Motherhood still makes up a major part of life for the working and non working mom.

Some of these statements deserve a kick in the testes I must say.

 

[The Mark]

And we can pee sitting down too....

Its a little messier though...

Umm......Not a mental picture that I wanted. You have scarred me for life. :mrgreen:

 

[talloulou]

So you're saying that women have historically and are today inferior because they have babies and men don't?

No weren't you paying attention. I'm claiming women are superior because they have the babies! :mrgreen:

So, in your estimation, women are only equal if they don't have children?

If so, that sounds like radical Feminism to me.

No I'm saying you can't really compare men and women and gripe about the differences too much because the playing fields will never be the same till men can give birth.

 

[bandaidwoman]

No I'm saying you can't really compare men and women and gripe about the differences too much because the playing fields will never be the same till men can give birth.

I agree.

 

[Jerry]

No weren't you paying attention. I'm claiming women are superior because they have the babies! :mrgreen:

No I'm saying you can't really compare men and women and gripe about the differences too much because the playing fields will never be the same till men can give birth.

How many US Presidents were women?

 

[talloulou]

How many US Presidents were women?

How many single men have been elected?

 

[Hatuey]

How many US Presidents were women?

Jerry...what does that have to do with anything? Until about a decade ago there was IMO no woman in U.S. politics that could be taken seriously when talking about a potential president. Today we have Hillary and people on the Conservative side wishing Condi would run. I think the fact that there have been no women U.S. presidents to date is not a confirmation that women are that much inferior to men(although they are still inferior because of the peeing thing).:mrgreen:

 

[Jerry]

How many single men have been elected?

Hmm, good point. Married men are superior to single men, but how many single women were elected?

 

[The Mark]

How many single men have been elected?

Woah! It's getting brutal in here.:mrgreen:

However, even if a single man was elected, he would probably be controlled at least partially by his mother. Or his ladyfriend.