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kjason102686 said:If you own and run a business providing products, you would understand that the great importance of manufacturing...
kjason102686 said:Yes, the 21 century entails information. Intelligence. But don't think this is the only thing we need to arm against strong competitors and the ones sky rocketing like China and India. They have "manufacturing" power as of now. In short, they will also have the "brain" power as much as we do. Who wins? The ones who can really manufacture COMPETITIVELY.
kjason102686 said:You can learn about IT and become an expert. But don't tell America to become such...
-Demosthenes- said:The economic transformation goes from agrarian based economy to industry based economy to service and information based economy. We're post-industry, service based now, why does everyone refer to Western post-industry nations as "Industrialized?" It's a misconception that breeds others.
An education in engineering or technology is more important than those like biology or history? Our economy is based on these careers? We've moved past industry to a service and information based economy. A car manufacturer can, sure, can produce a car worth 20,000 dollars. But a piece of paper, a deed to a property or a diploma from good college, can be worth even more than that. Service and information isn't such where we've gone, but what is best, and most profitable. Technology majors saying that their degrees are worth more than "useless" sciences or philosophy or history, it's all Bologna. We're the future, and they can cry about it.
kjason102686 said:You might be misled by "Industrialization revolution" back in old days. In those days, industrialized meant advanced technological tools to produce goods efficiently. Now days, industrialized encompasses much greater areas such as conventional industrial technologies, information sciences, bio-engineering and etc.
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I wouldn't say that you can't call our economy "post-industry" but that doesn't make sense, at least for now.
Industry, as i said above, just covers greater areas now which weren't in existance during the British industrialization revolution or American...
kjason102686 said:I feel as if my previous reply to your post was not addressing the issue here. At first, I thought you were saying, "We have moved on to higher technology and no more industry but mostly service based economy." So I replied to your post yesterday with some, honestly, unnecessary stories of my business and all that thinking that you meant manufacturing is not our concern anymore. Now I see that you had no grasp on the meaning of "industrialized".
I understand what you meant by "industry". But your definition is out-dated not that the people who claim the U.S. to be an "industrialized" nation is out-dated.
Quite the contrary, it's all a confusion in lay and scholarly uses of "industry."kjason102686 said:It seems very clear to me that you are pretty much overwhelmed by the intricate nuances that this matter carries.
kjason102686 said:There is no difference...it's almost like you have just scooped a spoon of ice-cream from the ice-cream container and claim that this is different than the one in the container...
kjason102686 said:What the economists or some articles you read...they meant "industrialized" as advanced in areas such as IT, Biotech, as well as machineries and manufacturing...
kjason102686 said:I am now starting to speculate that this boils down to your interpretation of "industrialized"
kjason102686 said:There are two different implications over "industrialized" and most of the articles or whereever you picked up "industrialized nation" have been written on the term that you are not talking about here.
kjason102686 said:I am really surprised that you just don't get it...you say the same over and over which wonder comes from your confusion regarding the simple definitions and moreover by the way over your wrong interpretation of "industrialized nation" written by others who in no way meant to mean what you think they meant.
alphieb said:This is a no brainer, without Industry there would be no economy, black and white.
kjason102686 said:I am sure that many of us in industries know that theories don't always apply to the real-life.
How are we going to better our lives without production? It's certainly impractical, but there is always this possibility. This is just my cursory thought.
Kelzie said:Well, ah, just to nitpick, industry's less than 15% of the US economy. In theory, an economy could exist without industry. Now could it develop without industry? I'm inclined to say no. Can the global economy exist without industry? Certainly not.
alphieb said:OK, how can an economy exist without an industry? Please, explain???? Perhaps, you know know more than I do. I don't see the logic.
kjason102686 said:Yes! Our main manufacturing plant in Guangzhou (Guangdong or Canton), China was not really...solely based on our own decisions but rather we were forced to move our manufacturing plant to such places like China with cheap labor pool.
In average, a factory labor in the U.S. earns about $15 an hour.
In China? Less than a dollar an hour. We have a payscale of approximately $30 per month for each labor and we currently operate with 500 workers in Guangdong (Canton area) plant.
I wouldn't call it efficiency...it's more about just "cost of production" and "cost competitiveness".
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