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Straight men in the military are prohibited from showering, dressing, or bunking with their female counterparts (and vice versa, of course). The reason for this is clearly that the men's sexual interest in the women would be a distraction to the men (yes, vice versa, but let's not pretend sexual desire affects women the same as it does men), and would prevent them from focusing on their jobs. Indeed, even with the separation, prostitution and rape have been a problem since introducing women to the military; but it is understandable and right that we work to overcome these issues, to allow women to serve.
If we allow gays to serve openly, we are allowing them to consort with the objects of their sexual attraction in a manner that heterosexuals are not allowed to. Why is it ok to let gay soldiers do this but not heterosexuals? Are we to believe that homosexuals are sexually evolved to the point where their sexual attraction does not affect their performance as a soldier? We clearly feel that heterosexual soldiers are not capable of such a separation. Frankly I don't, if I were showering with a bunch of women, it would affect my ability to perform (as a soldier, hehe).
So please, if somebody has a rational rebuttal, I'm all ears.
Tell me, if a gay man is showering with a straight man, are they likely to have sex?
If they do, is that gay?
Only if the straight one says "thank you"
Or makes eye contact.
Tell me, if a gay man is showering with a straight man, are they likely to have sex?
This is the crux of the issue. With a straight male-straight female combination, you have two people who's sexual orientation are compatible, possibly leading to sexual activity. When you combine a straight male and a gay male, these sexual orientations are not compatible for sexual activity.
does every unit only get issued one homosexual, then? :roll:
This is the crux of the issue. With a straight male-straight female combination, you have two people who's sexual orientation are compatible, possibly leading to sexual activity. When you combine a straight male and a gay male, these sexual orientations are not compatible for sexual activity.
so then it should be OK for straight male - lesbians to shower together?
so then it should be OK for straight male - lesbians to shower together?
Is it not entirely consistent to attribute rooted homophobia as equally innate, and immutable as homosexuality? I see no inherent disassociation from either trait, as it is expressed in the genome. (Assuming of course that homosexuality is indeed innate)
I am a staunch defender of gay rights. I view opposition to gay marriage with contempt. However, "Don't Ask Don't Tell" is the only reasonable way I can think of to make this work. Consider:
Straight men in the military are prohibited from showering, dressing, or bunking with their female counterparts (and vice versa, of course). The reason for this is clearly that the men's sexual interest in the women would be a distraction to the men (yes, vice versa, but let's not pretend sexual desire affects women the same as it does men), and would prevent them from focusing on their jobs. Indeed, even with the separation, prostitution and rape have been a problem since introducing women to the military; but it is understandable and right that we work to overcome these issues, to allow women to serve.
If we allow gays to serve openly, we are allowing them to consort with the objects of their sexual attraction in a manner that heterosexuals are not allowed to. Why is it ok to let gay soldiers do this but not heterosexuals? Are we to believe that homosexuals are sexually evolved to the point where their sexual attraction does not affect their performance as a soldier? We clearly feel that heterosexual soldiers are not capable of such a separation. Frankly I don't, if I were showering with a bunch of women, it would affect my ability to perform (as a soldier, hehe).
So please, if somebody has a rational rebuttal, I'm all ears.
I was going to post a reply, but what you said summed it up. Well said.You do realize that 19 other countries have been able to integrate openly gay men in their militarys without having to worry about this, right? What makes America different? Why is this such an issue?
Also consider these points..
1. Even college students can share dorm rooms with gay roommates.
2. Gay men already use the showers at civilian gyms and pools alongside heterosexual men.
3. Gay men in the military who have kept their sexual orientation secret have been able to shower alongside heterosexual men and perform their job admirably and professionally for their country and there is no indication they would do otherwise if they were out.
You are making an issue out of a nonissue.
This is the crux of the issue. With a straight male-straight female combination, you have two people who's sexual orientation are compatible, possibly leading to sexual activity. When you combine a straight male and a gay male, these sexual orientations are not compatible for sexual activity.
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