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Why abortion must remain legal and safe

Gordy327

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"How come when it's us, it's an abortion, and when it's a chicken, it's an omelet?" ----George Carlin

Abortion has been a hot topic ever since the Supreme Court's landmark ruling Roe v. Wade (1973). The abortion issue has polarized the American people for nearly 50 years now, with both sides of the issue never seeming to waver or give a little. The pro-choice side generally sees abortion as something that should be an individual choice while the pro-life side generally sees abortion as ending a life. Currently, elective abortions are generally allowed up to the point of fetal viability, approximately 23-24 weeks gestation, which seems like a reasonable limit and compromise between the two sides of the issue. However, after decades of contention, the SCOTUS has reversed Roe and remanded the abortion issue back to the states. This is understandably very concerning for some, especially for those who might need or seek an abortion. Regardless of one's own position on the issue, abortion is something which must remain legal and safe for women. Here are general explanations as to why:

1. Outlawing or significantly restricting abortion does not eliminate abortion or the need for it. All it will do is make abortions unsafe and potentially lead to criminalization of women who obtain "illegal" abortions and those who perform them. Our society has already dealt with such a scenario in the pre-Roe years, when women seeking to end a pregnancy obtained clandestine "back alley" abortions, often in unsafe and unsanitary conditions outside of the healthcare system and regulations and provided by some who may not be skilled in the procedure. This led to many women becoming maimed or even dying from the procedure. According to an article in Obstetrics and Gynecology , " w orldwide, some 5 million women are hospitalized each year for treatment of abortion-related complications such as hemorrhage and sepsis, and abortion-related deaths leave 220,000 children motherless....The median rate of unsafe abortions in the 82 countries with the most restrictive abortion laws is up to 23 of 1000 women compared with 2 of 1000 in nations that allow abortions. Abortion-related deaths are more frequent in countries with more restrictive abortion laws (34 deaths per 100,000 childbirths) than in countries with less restrictive laws (1 or fewer per 100,000 childbirths) ." Is that what we really want for this country? Another factor is the potential criminalization of women who either have abortions or are accused of having an abortion if they miscarry. A real world example of this is seen in El Salvador, where abortion has been banned. Many women have been accused and/or convicted for having an abortion after they miscarry. Also, 5,000 illegal abortions are performed there annually, with an 11% mortality rate. A pro-life individual might argue about the "life" of a fetus. But they ignore the life and possible death of the woman seeking an abortion. Again I ask, is that what we really want here?

2. Women have rights and autonomy . The Roe decision established that a woman had the right to choose an abortion. That right has only been affirmed and expanded upon in subsequent rulings regarding abortion. Reversing Roe or placing unreasonable or severe limits on abortion effectively means the state can revoke a right that has been granted. That begs the question, what other rights can the state then revoke? Individual rights are something that is recognized and protected, either explicitly or implicitly, and historically fought for. In a country which places such high value on rights and liberty, the very idea that the state can limit or revoke a right or that someone is forced to surrender their rights to the state should be abhorrent. A woman does not surrender her rights when she becomes pregnant. Neither does an embryo/fetus have rights which cancels the woman's rights. When pro-lifers argue about "life," they fail to acknowledge that no one is required to surrender their rights or themselves for the benefit of another. We do not force people to donate blood or organs to save a "life." So too is a woman not required to remain pregnant to support a "life," even if it's parasitically inside her.
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3. An embryo or fetus is not a person . Just as a car is not yet a car until it rolls off the assembly line, a fetus is not yet a person until it is born. An embryo/fetus is not legally recognized nor considered a person and does not have rights. Neither is there anyway rights can be conferred to it without limiting or removing the rights of the woman in question. Some states have attempted to pass "fetal personhood" laws in the past. But such attempts have fortunately always failed. A fetus can be a potential person if it is carried to term and delivered. If a fetus were considered a person, then our birthdays would be based on our date of conception, not birth. A fetus before the point of viability is incapable of surviving independently or being self-determinant. Much like how a brain-dead person is no longer considered "alive" or a person, so too is the fetus.

4. Abortion can help reduce or end a cycle of poverty. While women can have an abortion for any reason, in many cases it is because of financial difficulty. This can be cases of women in low paying jobs, unemployment, or women who have not finished school (such as teenagers) which may limit their opportunities later. Raising children is expensive and if one is not financially secure enough before having them, they risk becoming or continuing to be impoverished. This causes a lower standard of living and quality of life for both mother and child. If a woman is forced to continue a pregnancy while she has adequate resources to be self sufficient, then there is risk of financial, social, emotional, educational, and physical harm to both mother and child. According to the US Census Bureau , there are over 10 million children living in poverty in this country. Why add to that number by forcing women to give birth if they do not have adequate means to support children? Some worry about the idea of the government paying for abortions? Well, the government will pay for an unwanted impoverished child via social programs, and that's usually much more expensive than an abortion.

5. A fetus does not experience pain until after viability . One argument against abortion is that the fetus can feel the pain of an abortion procedure. That is one reason why anti-abortion advocates try to have abortion prohibited or at least significantly restricted. However, such claims are founded in emotional appeals, not science. According to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists ( ACOG ), a fetus is incapable of perceiving pain until at least 24 weeks gestation, which is past the point of viability. According to the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) , "a fetus is not capable of experiencing pain until 28 to 30 weeks after conception, when the nerves that carry painful stimuli to the brain have developed. Before that, the fetal reaction to a noxious stimulus is a reflex that does not involve consciousness." ( JAMA 2005; 294:947-954 ). Even Britain's Royal College of Obstetrics and Gynecologists (RCOG) states that the human fetus cannot feel pain until 24 weeks' gestation. If a fetus must be aborted past the point of viability, Federal law requires doctors to use medications to manage pain of the fetus. So if some are worried about fetal pain, then logically the same standard of pain management can be used at any stage of aborting a pregnancy, including before viability. Although, that might put the woman more at risk. Regardless, that makes the whole fetal pain argument moot and invalidates it as an excuse to reduce the time frame when abortions are allowed to be performed.

Moral arguments aside (which are irrelevant anyway), there are real world deleterious effects which have happened and can be observed if abortion were made illegal or restricted. Abortions must always be legal and safe so women are not risking their health, their personal and financial independence, or be criminalized or marginalized by society. The decision to continue a pregnancy or not is a personal one which every woman has the right to freely choose and it is no one else's business or concern but hers! If you don't like abortion, then don't get one. But no one gets to make that choice for anyone else!
 
I have yet to see a logical reason as to why abortion should be prohibited or limited to before viability.
Here in Canada we have no laws around abortion. It's considered a private matter between a woman and her doctor.
We have a lower abortion rate than the USA, so all those laws are useless.
 
Here in Canada we have no laws around abortion. It's considered a private matter between a woman and her doctor.
That's how it should be. Abortion is a medical procedure so there is no reason for anyone else to become involved.
We have a lower abortion rate than the USA, so all those laws are useless.
And yet, some legislatures want to pass even more laws. It makes no sense.
 
Oh, yes!

Abortion must be kept legal and free and easily available (by pill or medical procedure).

(I was shocked to hear today that Philadelphia -- of all places -- will pay women to become pregnant!!!)
 
By removing a woman's consent to that choice for her life, (her entire life, every day, not just to save her life) and bodily autonomy (4th Amendment "security of the person"), self-determination, liberty, etc. states are doing exactly what was done to the American slaves.

We ended slavery for the same reasons. What justifies violating women's rights that way?
 
By removing a woman's consent to that choice for her life, (her entire life, every day, not just to save her life) and bodily autonomy (4th Amendment "security of the person"), self-determination, liberty, etc. states are doing exactly what was done to the American slaves.

We ended slavery for the same reasons. What justifies violating women's rights that way?
I have yet to hear a rational or logical explanation to answer that question. Usually, the answer involves some appeal to emotion like "it's a life/baby" or something to that effect.
 
I have yet to see a logical reason as to why abortion should be prohibited or limited to before viability.
While I agree with your argument, the opposing argument disputes your third premise. It all boils down to: The pro-life believe the fetus has or should have the right to life and the pro-choice do not.

My personal opinion on the matter is that, while a member of the human species, due to its location entirely inside the body of another human, the host human's right to bodily autonomy must outweigh any rights the inner human may have, including the right to life. All humans are the final arbiter of what goes into and what comes out of their own bodies, and no human has the right to life once entirely inside the body of another human regardless of how he or she got there.
 
Because the reasoning is not necessarily logical to begin with.

Those who believe life begins at conception are not arguing logic…
That's just it, there is no logical reasoning. At least, none has ever been offered.
 
It’s a religious thing. Take religion out of the equation and abortion would become just another medical procedure.

Some people do object on 'philosophical' grounds or just because of 'their feelings.' IMO, the latter drives such people to scramble to 'find' philosophical grounds. It doesnt usually work because it's not really where most are coming from...it's just emotionally driven and they dont have the philosophical foundation to be effective.

Others try science, which also fails since science only categorizes and recognizes no rights, no legal status, no subjective value for any species or stage of development. Again, that one just falls back on 'feelings.' @Josie might be able to fill you in more on that.
 
While I agree with your argument, the opposing argument disputes your third premise. It all boils down to: The pro-life believe the fetus has or should have the right to life and the pro-choice do not.

My personal opinion on the matter is that, while a member of the human species, due to its location entirely inside the body of another human, the host human's right to bodily autonomy must outweigh any rights the inner human may have, including the right to life. All humans are the final arbiter of what goes into and what comes out of their own bodies, and no human has the right to life once entirely inside the body of another human regardless of how he or she got there.
The 3rd point stipulates that the unborn are not legal persons. This is a fact. Neither the Constitution or federal law recognize the unborn as persons with rights. Pro-lifers have not made any rational argument as to why the unborn should be declared legal persons. It is simply impossible to grant rights equally to both the pregnant woman and the unborn. Since the unborn are not recognized as persons nor have any rights, there is no legal or rational reason to restrict abortion at all, as there is no other person being affected. But if personhood was established for the unborn, then a pregnant woman can have an abortion on the basis she does not want her body being used to benefit another, as that is her right and is supported by legal precedent. Pro-lifers seem unable to logically or legally counter those arguments.
 
It’s a religious thing. Take religion out of the equation and abortion would become just another medical procedure.
Not at a true. Many non religious are againstegalizing abortion.
 
Abortion affects 2.
 
Oh, yes!

Abortion must be kept legal and free and easily available (by pill or medical procedure).

(I was shocked to hear today that Philadelphia -- of all places -- will pay women to become pregnant!!!)
No amount of money in this world could convince me to deliberately get pregnant.
 
Oh, yes!

Abortion must be kept legal and free and easily available (by pill or medical procedure).

(I was shocked to hear today that Philadelphia -- of all places -- will pay women to become pregnant!!!)
That's apparently the new prostitution.
 
Because the reasoning is not necessarily logical to begin with.

Those who believe life begins at conception are not arguing logic…
They've convinced themselves though. They employ the most technical and broad definition of "life" and stubbornly cling to it. It's mere moral embellishment granting themselves the perceived high moral ground.
 
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