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Who will be held accountable for the utter ruin of the Trump Era?

Who will be held accountable for the utter ruin of the Trump Era?


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I'm voting "other" because there could be a lot of fall guys. Unfortunately, I suspect the most likely fall guy is going to be "The Jews". Now I'm by no means a fan of Israel's version of Trump, and Israel should owe a lot of reparations to people for their property and their lives - but that's not what I'm talking about. I think MAGA and the Republicans will break, very suddenly, from looking and acting like hapless pawns of the so-called Elders of Zion to levying accusations about pervasive Jewish infiltration of American society. They'll say they didn't mean to tear down the constitution and poison the planet ... they were just misled by Soros and AIPAC. And the modern day "liberals", being what they are, are going to cheer and jeer with such joy they'll forget all about their former differences.
 
I don't understand how you can say that when he is underwater on every single issue including immigration , although it is his best. If negative numbers aren't under water/tanked then please explain to us what it represents.
Your "underwater" tactic is just a game you play. As far as job approval or issue polling, let's say any president from either party in recent decades (since politics has become so polarized) has approval polling above 50% and disapproval polling below 50%. That would be highly unusual or even extraordinarily high, outside of the initial weeks of a presidency. It wouldn't be average or barely above water and it would be deliberately disingenuous and purposely misleading to refer to it as such.

For example, if a president had 49% approval in the middle of his presidency or had 49% approval on the economy anytime - by your repeated narrative, they'd be underwater. Yet, if put in any reasonable full context, that would be an excellent rating, not one to be negatively portrayed as underwater, as you (and, I'll add, ElChupacabra) are regularly trying to do.

Let me give you a clear example because RCP has an extended chart, since 2008, for direction of country, regardless of party and president. Direction of country ratings have NEVER reached 50% or higher even once in 17 years. Yet in that long timeframe, we can see that direction of country polling of 40% or above is very good (in context), polling from 30-40% happens the majority of the time, and polling below 30% is quite bad (again in context). So, to discuss that topic at a time when the ranking is (say, for the sake of this conversation, 43%) and deliberately portray and bash it as underwater, is a gimmick which is BS. Full context is both honest and essential to any reasonable conversation.

That's exactly why I provide Biden/Obama/Bush context when you repeatedly talk about Trump's polling tanking. These comparisons provide important context if one wants to have a sincere conversation and not just play biased gimmick games about "negative numbers" and "underwater". Are the numbers under 50%, yes. But, in some instances, those numbers reflect both high end and good polling, even if under 50.

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It doesn't get more 'on the nose' when MAGA gets upset because a video game slams fascists during a WW2 setting.

 
Your "underwater" tactic is just a game you play. As far as job approval or issue polling, let's say any president from either party in recent decades (since politics has become so polarized) has approval polling above 50% and disapproval polling below 50%. That would be highly unusual or even extraordinarily high, outside of the initial weeks of a presidency. It wouldn't be average or barely above water and it would be deliberately disingenuous and purposely misleading to refer to it as such.

For example, if a president had 49% approval in the middle of his presidency or had 49% approval on the economy anytime - by your repeated narrative, they'd be underwater. Yet, if put in any reasonable full context, that would be an excellent rating, not one to be negatively portrayed as underwater, as you (and, I'll add, ElChupacabra) are regularly trying to do.

Let me give you a clear example because RCP has an extended chart, since 2008, for direction of country, regardless of party and president. Direction of country ratings have NEVER reached 50% or higher even once in 17 years. Yet in that long timeframe, we can see that direction of country polling of 40% or above is very good (in context), polling from 30-40% happens the majority of the time, and polling below 30% is quite bad (again in context). So, to discuss that topic at a time when the ranking is (say, for the sake of this conversation, 43%) and deliberately portray and bash it as underwater, is a gimmick which is BS. Full context is both honest and essential to any reasonable conversation.

That's exactly why I provide Biden/Obama/Bush context when you repeatedly talk about Trump's polling tanking. These comparisons provide important context if one wants to have a sincere conversation and not just play biased gimmick games about "negative numbers" and "underwater". Are the numbers under 50%, yes. But, in some instances, those numbers reflect both high end and good polling, even if under 50.

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First of all I wish you would leave personal attacks and insults aside and stick to the issues.

Simply put we are looking at it from two different perspectives. You are choosing to judge Trump's performance as compared to his predecessors. Which is fine. I am looking at it from the perspective of his approvals since election. I feel my perspective is as valid as is yours. It's unfortunate you think your perspective is the only one that matters
 
1) Donald Trump

2) The Republican Party.... the political party that has surrendered its majority Legislative Branch to Donald Trump

3) The conservative Roberts Supreme Court

4) The Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society
Then there are those that could have stopped Trump, but lacked the balls/courage to do so. My Profiles in Cowardice, includes:

  1. James Comey - should have put an end to the Hillary nonsense once and for all in 2016. His wishy washy re-opening the investigation with just 10 days to go opened the door to Trump. Where is he now? --- paying the price.
  2. Robert Mueller - Ultimately backed down and did not fully investigate Trump staying clear of a financial investigation because Trump threatened to fire him. "Following the Money" is often key to a criminal investigation. Moreover, he failed to defend his report, even after Bill Barr buried it and mischaracterized. Furthermore, he naively thought/left it to congress would handle the consequences of Trump.
  3. Bill Barr - though he ultimately did the right thing, that is well beyond when he did the wrong thing, which was to bury and mischaracterize the Mueller report (where is he now?)
  4. MItch McConnell - had the power to convict Trump and end his eligibility to be POTUS, but could not muster the courage to do it.
  5. Lyndsey Graham - grew a pair of balls in January 2017, but they fell off a few weeks later when MAGA chased him in an airport
  6. Kevin McCarthy - See Lyndsey Graham... he had the same biological problem
  7. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio - Were emasculated by Trump in 2016 and stayed that way
  8. Merrick Garland - hid from what needed to be done until it was too late.
  9. the SCOTUS - could not stand up to Trump, so they hid behind the law, which they largely made up to keep from being exposed as toothless, though we all see it now.
  10. Nikki Haley - showed some courage to steer us from Trump, but panicked. To atone, she fellated him on stage at the RNC in front of all us. It was beyond pathetic. Where is she now?
  11. Gen. John Kelly - He was close to Trump but lacked the courage to really say what needed to be said, until it was too late (ditto for most of the 1st term cabinet)
  12. George W. Bush - Say what was going on, but lacke the courage to speak out.
  13. Joe Manchin - See GW Bush. Where is he now?
  14. Joe Biden - he knew his primary job was to move the nation beyond Trump, but fell in love with the office rather than worked to get a really strong D to run in 2024. He failed to do his job.

Each could have stopped Trump; none of them really like Trump and understand the threat he posed/poses; all were hoping someone else would take care of the problem.

Though this is more of a list of people we can blame for Trump ever being president in 2024 rather than who is to blame for his Presidency going off the rails, I would argue his presidency was doomed to failure and we should have stopped him long ago.

There are probably a dozen people I have left out... Anyone want to add to the list?
 
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What ruin?

We all know the US could end as a smoking pile of radioactive dust after Trump has initiated WW3 and you'd still be demanding he win the Nobel peace prize and that the US is better than ever.

Your credability with regards to Trump is zero.
 
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