Donkey1499
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The Real McCoy said:1. Sun Tzu
2. Ghengis Khan
3. Alexander
4. Napoleon
5. Atilla
6. Oda Nobunaga (Jap)
7. Patton
8. Hannibal
9. Eisenhower
10. Charlamagne
(In no particular order)
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Donkey1499 said:But what about any Vietnam leaders. Were there any notable ones?
bandaidwoman said:The Trung Sisters who led an army and fought off the Chinese for many years? http://www.womeninworldhistory.com/heroine10.html
But you probably meant the modern Vietnam conflict I suppose.
Donkey1499 said:I meant the 60's Nam Conflict. But a good post anyways.
How about Joan of Arc? She sort of got Nationalism started.
The Real McCoy said:1. Sun Tzu
2. Ghengis Khan
3. Alexander
4. Napoleon
5. Atilla
6. Oda Nobunaga (Jap)
7. Patton
8. Hannibal
9. Eisenhower
10. Charlamagne
(In no particular order)
TimmyBoy said:Napoloean got Nationalism started.
TimmyBoy said:Napoloean got Nationalism started.
Donkey1499 said:Nah, I do believe you're wrong there. But this debate isn't for this thread.
TimmyBoy said:I was making the case that Napoloean got it started in Europe when most of Europe was under his occupation. His occupation awakened nationalist feelings in many countries he occuppied and this power stayed long after the defeat of Napolean and was one of the major factors for the outbreak of World War I.
Donkey1499 said:Oh, alright then. I misread what you wrote.
Joan of Arc got FRENCH nationalism going.
TimmyBoy said:I think the greatest military minds came from German Officer leadership during World War II. Heinz Guedarian who pioneered blitzkrieg which is still used in the US Army till this day. Erwin Rommel was an awesome general and was kicking the crap out of the British and Americans even when he was outmanned and outsupplied. Man for man, the German Army in World War II inflicted more casaulties on their enemies and outfought the US Army, the British Army and the Soviet Army, even though they still lost the war. I hold the German World War II army in high regard when it comes to their ability to fight and prosecute a war.
Iriemon said:Good points. Eisenhower and Patton are much more well known because they were Americans. But truth be told, they (in general) had overwhelming superiority over the Germans in terms of men and material, and were fighting a Germany that was already pretty much beaten by 1944.
Truly great generals accomplish the unexpected against greater odds. That is one reason Alexander was the Great. He regularly defeated armies more than twice the size of his.
The German general staff accomplished this as well, as you point out -- in France in 1940 they were outnumbered and outgunned, but their tactics defeated the combined allied forces in a shockingly short time. Rommel regularly defeated larger forces. In Russia the Germans faced a larger opponent as well, albiet one that had been purged of leadership. The initially had great victories, but old man winter and a deranged CiC proved to be stronger factors...
Donkey1499 said:True. Russia would be speaking German if it wasn't for mother nature intervening.
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