With the American Communist Party coming out of the closet and the number of self described communists that surround Obama, it's no wonder a lot of people are calling themselves communists.
With the American Communist Party coming out of the closet and the number of self described communists that surround Obama, it's no wonder a lot of people are calling themselves communists. Here's a link that gives a somewhat glossy version of life under Mao in China from 1949, through the different revolutions, various purges, ping pong diplomacy and up to the economic reforms of Deng Xiaping that have turned China into a world player. One item that stuck in my mind was that it wasn't until 1979, after Mao was dead, that "a rudimentary legal system was instituted". The whole thing is 11 pages so stop when you've had enough.
Mao's China
There is no American Communist Party anymore.
OP needs to do his reading.
The CPUSA is not the ACP. To my knowledge, there never was an American Communist Party. There was (and still is) a Communist Party of the United States of America.Hmmmm......About Us » cpusa
This is the part where I need to request a link or some other form of documentation to back up your claims.
As far as I know, the communist party of the US has only a few hundred members.
Well, Henny, why not try the one at the bottom of my post that says: MAO'S CHINA Of course that would mean you'd have had to actually read the whole post, which I now know you didn't.
Well, Henny, why not try the one at the bottom of my post that says: MAO'S CHINA Of course that would mean you'd have had to actually read the whole post, which I now know you didn't.
Who wants to be a communist?
I can't really think of anybody except an empoverished farmer or one of the many factory laborers in a pre-industrial or early industrial society, where capitalism has not yet created mass consumption and mass wealth yet -- people who are living from one day to the next, without any chance of ever climbing the social ladder or overcoming the social status they were born into, in a society where a significant class of people plays no role as consumer, but merely as cheap laborer.
Quite a few such people existed in Europe's early industrialization phase during the 19th century (early in Britain, later in France and Germany, finally in Russia), but a genuine "working class" with an according class conscience soon ceased to exist, as class barriers decreased, social mobility increased and capitalism developed far enough to create wealth for the masses (along with a social liberal establishment of certain labor protection laws and social safety nets). The diagram of modern capitalist societies no longer is a pyramid (many poor on the bottom, very few rich on the top) as in those 19th century industrial societies, but has become more like an egg (few rich and few poor, and a large middle class).
Without such a proletariat, you don't find many supporters of communism. The large middle class that has taken its place has too much to lose to oppose capitalism.
But I imagine for pauperized exploited laborers in the 19th century, or farm hands in feudalist societies, who did not have any social safety whatsoever and nothing to lose except their chains, communism is indeed an attractive concept.
There is no American Communist Party anymore.
OP needs to do his reading.
Which was a link to something that happened in China. Not the U.S.
There was a Socialist Workers' Party candidate for mayor here in DC this year.
Who wants to be a communist?
I can't really think of anybody except an empoverished farmer or one of the many factory laborers in a pre-industrial or early industrial society, where capitalism has not yet created mass consumption and mass wealth yet -- people who are living from one day to the next, without any chance of ever climbing the social ladder or overcoming the social status they were born into, in a society where a significant class of people plays no role as consumer, but merely as cheap laborer.
Quite a few such people existed in Europe's early industrialization phase during the 19th century (early in Britain, later in France and Germany, finally in Russia), but a genuine "working class" with an according class conscience soon ceased to exist, as class barriers decreased, social mobility increased and capitalism developed far enough to create wealth for the masses (along with a social liberal establishment of certain labor protection laws and social safety nets). The diagram of modern capitalist societies no longer is a pyramid (many poor on the bottom, very few rich on the top) as in those 19th century industrial societies, but has become more like an egg (few rich and few poor, and a large middle class).
Without such a proletariat, you don't find many supporters of communism. The large middle class that has taken its place has too much to lose to oppose capitalism.
But I imagine for pauperized exploited laborers in the 19th century, or farm hands in feudalist societies, who did not have any social safety whatsoever and nothing to lose except their chains, communism is indeed an attractive concept.
Ich meine Sie sind ganz verrück. Wie alt sind Sie, junger als fünzehn? Ich bin sechsundsechszig und hab' für über fünfundzwanzig jahre für eine Deutsche firma gearbeitet. Ich kenne ein bisschen um Deutschland. Offensichtlich haben Sie nie unter communismus gelebt, but thanks for giiving me the chance to brush up on my German, Komerad.
Ja, noch was. About how many pauperized exploited laborers in the 19th century, or farm hands in feudalist societies do you think there are in the United States? This just a pure guess, so don't quote me, but I'm going to say none. So what's filling the ranks of the American Communist Party, except for a bunch of fools who don't know any better and just think it's hip and chic to say, "I'm a communist"?
Hey, Ihr Deutsch ist gar nicht schlecht! Aber am Inhalt müssen wir noch etwas arbeiten ...
I wasn't making a point in favor of communism, if that's what you believe I did. I just tried to imagine what kind of people could possibly be attracted by such a horrible ideology. What I said above, in other words, is that "except really desperate people in historical mass poverty, nobody could seriously support communism, except nuts". Capitalism has done much more to improve general wealth and to raise the former working class into the middle class, than communism ever has.
Yep. However, I think the fundamental misunderstanding that fuels threads like these is that there are certain people that cannot tell the difference between those who desire a mixed economy and those who desire communism. Ultimately, it is that misunderstanding or misrepresentation of intent that makes arguments about the hell of being in a communistic country irrelevent to any real policy discussion.
Well, duh!!
If you had an attention span greather than a May fly, you'd catch what's being written
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