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Who killed Cuban dissident Oswaldo Payá?

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The Castroit regime posted false photos of the Oswaldo Paya accident crash site on the facebook page of the Cuban communist party. Why are they doing it? What are they trying to spin? Sorry but this tactics doesn’t work on this time and age of internet information. The images of the car speak for itself. The communist party facebook page image shows a frontal impact only of the car involved in the crash.

http://www.penultimosdias.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/PCC.jpg

The real pictures show a large impact to the back of the car not consistent with a frontal impact with a tree. In reality this was the car they traveled in:

http://zoevaldes.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/fotoautopaya.jpg?w=600
 
[ Paya's daughter spoke with the two men who were in the car, before they were kept incommunicated in the hospital. His family seems to be in no doubt about who was responsible.
 
Carromero, the Spaniard who was driving, made phone calls to Europe. Seems he was rattled, and driving on unfamiliar roads to evade this criminal pursued, which led to the crash. Paya had suffered a similar incident two weeks earlier in Havana, putting him and his wife in danger.


Photo of Paya’s family van after the previous “accident” induced by the Castroit regime goons.

It is evident now that the Castroit regime is going for broke. It sent the thugs of the state security to perform ruthless assault of the grieving attendees at Paya's funeral. They were savagely beating and arrested.
 
Paya was a peaceful dissident, with many merits. The state security forces have no business beating up and locking people up at a funeral. The regime mob disturbed the funeral chanting pro regime slogans, shoving, punching and kicking the mourning crowd. Their intolerance begets more intolerance, and they will reap what they sowed.
 
During the last two years the harassment and detention of dissidents across the island has risen sharply. It has reach the point now that they arrest people grieving at a funeral, unheard off at any civilize country.

This video by Amnesty International reveals new tactics by the Cuban regime security apparatus to punish individuals which oppose the regime.
Routine repression in Cuba
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The use of toxic substances, radioactive and carcinogenic chemicals in the Castroit prisons have caused lethal disease among political prisoners. Carlos Alberto Montaner published an article title “The Bulgarian Treatment” (The Bulgarian Treatment* Carlos Alberto Montaner* Dec), where it refers to the possible use of radioactive isotopes to kill political prisoners.
 
In 1996 Sebastián Arcos testified before the Human Rights Commission of the UN in Geneva, (Address to the U.N. Human Rights Commission by Sebastian Arcos Bergnes), where he said: “Or the Cuban government recognizes itself guilty of criminal negligence in my case, or it recognizes itself guilty of an attempted premeditated homicide against my person. Out of the group of 6 political prisoners liberated by the Cuban government after the requests of France Libertes, only two enjoyed good health. In addition to my own case, Reinaldo Figueredo has cancer in his vocal chords, Luis Enrique Gonzalez Ogra has pancreatic cancer, and Ismael Salvia Ricardo is nearly blind.” Sebastián passed away in Miami in December of 1997 at 65 years of age.
 
The octogenarian Castro brothers will reap what they sow; they sow murder and destruction and that is what they will reap. After 53 years of the brutal Castroit tyrannical military regime, the Cuban people soul is still alive and well, and their desire for freedom couldn’t be eradicated. In a near future they will break the chains of slavery of the evil Castro brothers’ monstrous regime and be free again. Rest in peace Oswaldo Payá and Harold Cepero.
 
Mary Anastasia O'Grady on Cuba Dissident's Unusual Death
Columnist Mary Anastasia O'Grady on the death of Cuban dissident Oswaldo Paya.
http://www.nasdaq.com/video/video.aspx?vid=Mary-Anastasia-OGrady-on-Cuba-Dissidents-Unusual-Death-517425528
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The Castroit regime affirmed that Laura Pollán, leader of “The Ladies in White” 63 years old, died of a heart attack on October 14, 2011. Nevertheless the doctors who treated Laura in the hospital confirmed that she had dengue type 4.
On September 24, 2011, Laura was pinched in the right arm as can be seen in the photo. On October 3 she experienced chills, vomiting and joint pains. The next day she went to the hospital, was examined and was told she was fine. She developed breathing problems and extreme weakness, went to hospital again on October 7 and was hospitalized. Only his daughter was allowed to see her on October 10, and it wasn’t until the 12 that the dengue type 4 infection was confirmed by doctors. Her health deteriorated during the period that she remained under the state medical care. Laura died on the 14.

The doctors were not able to recognize early symptoms of dengue, which began to emerge since October 3, in order to proceed with the adequate treatment. It's very unusual that there weren’t other cases of dengue in the municipality where her house is located, since it is a virus transmitted by the mosquito Aedes aegypti. If we connect the dots, the result points to a premeditate murder disguised as a mortal illness.
 
The “accidental” death of Oswaldo Paya, a true leader, is a classic case of state murder. This is criminal state where its security apparatus is running wild. The Castros are old men near the end of the rope, but it would be much sweeter to see them deposed and repudiated before they go. They deserve a Gaddafi and Ceausescu type of end.
 
Oswaldo Paya is not the first and unfortunately will not be the last victim of the Castroit regime. The “Cuba Archive” has an ongoing report about the female victims of the Castroit regime. Until 2003 the number of death stands at 216. Link:
http://cubaarchive.org/home/images/stories/truth and memory/female_victims.pdf

We cannot forget the thousands of Cubans that without due process have been executed, imprisoned, perishing trying to escape in make shift rafts, forced into exile, since the reign of terror of the Castro brothers started 53 years ago.
 

Cuba is freer and more democratic than the US fascist corpocracy
 
Change, unless it comes from the top, requires external support to hasten a transition to a free society. The time is ripe for the freedom lovers Cubans, in and out of the island, to prepare the conditions for the coming upraising against the Castros’ tyrannical military regime.
 
The Senate knows there won't be any such investigation, but it is a nice gesture.
 
The regime report cited three Campesinos (countrymen) witnesses, two of them riding bicycles, who gave details about the performance of an automobile on a dirt and gravel road as if they were expert test drivers, when probably neither may have ever driven a car before. It is very probable that the regime State Security personnel intimidated these witnesses to provide such information. Two week before Paya reported a previous incident when he and his wife were subject to an assault by another vehicle in a similar accident when driving in his personal VW van in Havana. Obviously that incident was a warning from the regime.
 
So for now it is a tragic one car accident caused by an inexperienced driver on a superbly marked road under construction (having driven tens of thousands of kilometers on Cuban roads, this is unbelievable!), who applied the brakes too strongly to slow his speeding car down, causing the car to leave the roadway.

It just so happened to impact a very small tree-which shows No damage- in such a way as to severely injure the two Cuban Dissidents in the back seat to the point of Death, while not harming the two foreigners in the front seat at all.
 
Over a week ego two young democratic European traveled to Dr. Castro’s island to meet with the peaceful dissidents and help them in their struggle for freedom and democracy. After the tragic “accident” where Payá and Harold Cepero were kill, they were held incommunicado by the Castroit regime State Security. On July 30 the regime State Security summoned the international journalists to a news conference showing them a video where Carromero and Modig “confessed” and “apologized” to the Castroit tyrannical regime. Modig was allowed to leave, and Carromero has been charged with vehicular manslaughter, and will remain hostage for security, since “The Swede can’t speak freely because his friend is still prisoner in Cuba."
 
For sure it will be very interesting how the Spanish government will react when Carromero is found guilty and sentence to many years in prison considering their many investments in the island. Unlike the American hostage Allan Gross that has spend several year in the Castroit gulag, and the Obama administration hasn’t taken concrete action to obtain his release.
 
Castros’ tyranny has no moral right to criticize, as the Castro brothers and accomplices before 1959 received weapons and money from foreign hands for decades and then received help of billions of dollars a year from the Soviet Union and other socialist countries to sustain its de facto regime imposed January 1, 1959.
 
Payá was a true hero fighting the good fight, which remained in Cuba and gave up his life in the struggle against the Castroit tyrannical regime.
 
It is clear that the majority of the damage is to the rear half of the vehicle. I would describe it as if it were crushed from behind. To believe that the deaths occurred because the vehicle hit a tree would most likely stem from a belief that the tree was coming from behind at high speed.
 
If the Castroit regime has nothing to hide, given the high international profile of Mr. Paya, an international investigation should be allowed by the regime. The Castroit tyrannical regime has dedicated itself to a campaign of character assassination, ranging from videos on TV over data going back years on the man's driving record, to financials of his family in the state controlled media in Cuba and affiliated sites abroad.
 
If the Castroit regime has nothing to hide, given the high international profile of Mr. Paya, an international investigation should be allowed by the regime. The Castroit tyrannical regime has dedicated itself to a campaign of character assassination, ranging from videos on TV over data going back years on the man's driving record, to financials of his family in the state controlled media in Cuba and affiliated sites abroad
 
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