Ad_Captandum
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The title is evident. Who is the MOST to blame for the problems of African Americans today??
Ehhh it's hard to say, because it's such a historical and cumulative thing.
I guess I'd really blame Henry the Navigator, King of Portugal in the first half of the 1400's, for setting up that first Portuguese trading station in Africa.
Really all went down hill for the Africans from there.
I blame the Africans that sold Africans they "Conquered and Owned" to Henry the Navigator. Truth is Africa had a slave trade even before Europeans arrived. Tribes typically enslaved the member of conquered tribes (at least their children and women) after they killed the men.
So who woulda guessed Africans are to blame for their own slavery.
Equalizing educational funding across districts would be a good start.And you want people that are able to make more money and move to nicer areas to what? Not do so and live in a poorer area and send their kids to poor performing schools for some reason? Seriously? Why?
I mean wealthy, often white, people who have never lived in the same area or gone to school with poor people and thus have no comprehension of what it means to be poor or, as is often the case, black, or what "hard work" gets you under those circumstances.you mean white people who work hard move to areas which have nicer homes and better schools and those who cannot afford such areas cannot move there?
Equalizing educational funding across districts would be a good start.
Doesn't have to be at the federal level.The federal government getting out of education would be the best thing that could happen.
They still are enslaving each other as a matter of fact.Oh, yeah, no argument there -- it's totally true, Africans had been enslaving each other for a long time before Europeans got there. Furthermore, the Arabs had been enslaving Africans and Europeans alike for centuries before the Europeans showed up in Africa.
I'm just saying that Africa's fortunes really took a nose dive after Henry showed up. They should probably hate Portugal more than they do.
Equalizing educational funding across districts would be a good start.
I'd also be for banning private schools. Gives the wealthy more incentive to make sure public schools are operating the way they should.
Individuals are responsible for their own problems, whether those individuals be black, brown, red, white, or purple with bright pink polka dots.
So the people who died on 9/11 caused their own deaths?
Only in the most extreme logical conclusion of my original statement. Those who died on 9/11 did not know they were going to die, but they were in that place and time as a result of their own decisions. None of them were forced to work in the Twin Towers. Likely none of those people did very much to raise awareness of the dangers of al-Qaeda specifically and terrorism generally with their political representatives over the previous decade. How many of those people voted for Bill Clinton's re-election? Had Bob Dole been president from 1997-2001, perhaps we would have taken bin Laden off Sudan's hands? We can go around and around with this if you want to take it to the extreme, but how's this...So the people who died on 9/11 caused their own deaths?
That's not the same and you know it.
because death is not a problem :roll:
Only in the most extreme logical conclusion of my original statement. Those who died on 9/11 did not know they were going to die, but they were in that place and time as a result of their own decisions. None of them were forced to work in the Twin Towers. Likely none of those people did very much to raise awareness of the dangers of al-Qaeda specifically and terrorism generally with their political representatives over the previous decade. How many of those people voted for Bill Clinton's re-election? Had Bob Dole been president from 1997-2001, perhaps we would have taken bin Laden off Sudan's hands? We can go around and around with this if you want to take it to the extreme, but how's this...
...Individuals are responsible for resolving their own problems, no matter the (real or perceived) cause. Better?
No you jackass, because getting murdered is not the same thing as living in poverty in a nation that gives you a free education.
You mean different things are different? Gee, who would have guessed!!!
Maybe that's why simplistic nonsense like "people are responsible for their own problems" are unrealistic depictions given the complexity of real life and their only purpose is to reassure the simpletons who can't deal with complexity (ie reality)
Maybe he didn't expect anybody to be stupid enough not to realize that he was referring to this specific situation.
If he was arguing that his simplistic little bit of folk "wisdom" (ie "people are responsible for their own problems") then he was "begging the question" The question is "Who is to blame for the problems of black people?" and to answer "Their problems are their responsibility because their problems are their responsibility" is a bigoted argument.
Whenever someone becomes successful, regardless of what walk of life they come from, their success is due to their own effort, whether that involved fighting tooth and nail for everything they ever owned, or just taking the time to work hard and to use the assets that taxpayers were providing them automatically.
Paris Hilton agrees
That isn't relevent to the topic or even my post.
Sure it is. You spoke about people who became successful, so I responded by referring to someone who is successful but apparently contradicts your claims about the successful
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